lipoli390 wrote:worldK wrote:lipoli390 wrote:worldK wrote:We can all agree that thibs will not trade jimmy. Thibs knows his ass is on the line this season and only a top 4 finish and 2nd round exit will save his job. Thibs will ride it out and look to win as much as possible. I can see him riding the starters again if that is what it takes to win games.
His number 1 priority is to keep his job and not position the wolves to contend 5 years from now. That is where having a dual role of gm and coach hurt a franchise.
The sixers, if they dont land kawhi is our best bet as a trade deadline trade partner if things get ugly for us. That only happens if the sixers are a top 2 team and legit contender to go to the finals. Boston and ainge will never trade us tatum or brown. Hayward maybe but never brown and tatum.
I think the Celtics would trade Jaylen Brown, but I agree they wouldn't trade Tatum. I'd focus on trying to get the 2019 Sacramento and Memphis 1st round picks in a Butler deal. I think we could get Jaylen Brown and one of those picks plus Boston's own 1st round pick for Butler.
Lip, i really believe ainge will not trade brown for butler simply because brown can become jimmy like in a few years. They wont have to pay jalen for 2 more seasons and he wont be getting supermax like butler can. The east is wide open with lebron gone. They have stevens who has proven to be an elite coach and player developer. They will not easily trade away their draft picks.
I only see 1 player the celtics will trade us and that is hayward. They will keep horford /tatum/brown over Hayward. The best we can get from ainge is hayward plust their own pick for butler/taj. I will be surprised if we can get the memohis/sac pick from them.
The sixers assuming they dont get kawhi is the best bet fir a mid season butler trade.
Wow. Is Butler's value that low? If so, then why would we offer him a max extension? An why did we give up 3 lottery picks to get him?
Because we are not in the power position lip. How would the celtics pay irving, hayward and butler and horford? They are not going to trade horford for another wing! Horford is much more valuable than hayward for them. You cannot trade jaylen brown straight up for butler because of salary. Horford or haywards salary would be needed! And they wont trade horford for another wing. Taj and dieng are not going to be able to replace horford.
They were 1 game away from the finals without irving and hayward. Lebron is in the west now. They got to where they are because they hoarded draft picks and use them wisely. They could have traded their top picks any year for a star but they did not and they are rewarded with the deep roster they have now.
This is not about butler's value. This is about what position the celtics are in now. Butler and hayward(when healthy) are same tier players. Although Butler is better, he is not a level above a healthy hayward. Tatum and brown are on rookie deals.
Celtics will swap hayward for butler because butler is better at the same position. But they wont swap their best big for another wing. They will throw in their own first for it but they wont throw in the sac pick ir memphis pick because that might get them another piece.
We are in a weak position because if ever it came down to us having to trade jimmy at the deadline. It means things are really bad and jimmy is sure to bolt if we dont trade him. We all agree jimmy will nit be shopped unless things are really bad.
