Trade Talks Update

[Camden [enjin:6601484]]

MIN: SF/PF Otto Porter, PF Markieff Morris, SF Kelly Oubre

WAS: SG/SF Jimmy Butler, PF Taj Gibson

This would be pretty ideal as far as value and financial flexibility is concerned. Minnesota would have their long-term small forward plugged in for the foreseeable future and two additional rotation players who are both on expiring deals. Oubre, and possibly even Morris, would likely be a player you'd like to bring back at appropriate cost, but a player who won't break your back if you don't retain him in the following off-season.

Minnesota improves their three-point shooting both in terms of volume and efficiency. They add to their depth with Oubre. They also are a lot more versatile with several small-ball lineups at their disposal. This while having two studs -- Towns and Porter -- approaching the primes of their careers within the same window.

Keep in mind that I'd still search for a trade partner for Wiggins with or without this move. However, this trade would give us a potential fill-in with Oubre moving forward.

PG: Jeff Teague/ Tyus Jones
SG: Andrew Wiggins / Josh Okogie
SF: Otto Porter / Kelly Oubre
PF: Markieff Morris / Anthony Tolliver
C: Karl-Anthony Towns / Gorgui Dieng

[Q12543 [enjin:6621299]]

Porter has always been on my short list of guys I'd love on this team. I'm surprised Washington hasn't been mentioned.

[Lipoli390]

MIN: SF/PF Otto Porter, PF Markieff Morris, SF Kelly Oubre

WAS: SG/SF Jimmy Butler, PF Taj Gibson

This would be pretty ideal as far as value and financial flexibility is concerned. Minnesota would have their long-term small forward plugged in for the foreseeable future and two additional rotation players who are both on expiring deals. Oubre, and possibly even Morris, would likely be a player you'd like to bring back at appropriate cost, but a player who won't break your back if you don't retain him in the following off-season.

Minnesota improves their three-point shooting both in terms of volume and efficiency. They add to their depth with Oubre. They also are a lot more versatile with several small-ball lineups at their disposal. This while having two studs -- Towns and Porter -- approaching the primes of their careers within the same window.

Keep in mind that I'd still search for a trade partner for Wiggins with or without this move. However, this trade would give us a potential fill-in with Oubre moving forward.

PG: Jeff Teague/ Tyus Jones
SG: Andrew Wiggins / Josh Okogie
SF: Otto Porter / Kelly Oubre
PF: Markieff Morris / Anthony Tolliver
C: Karl-Anthony Towns / Gorgui Dieng

Cam -- I'd love this deal for the Wolves. I actually think it's realistic too. For a Wiggins deal, how about Wiggins to Atlanta for Bazemore, John Collins and the Mav's protected 1st round pick? Personally, I don't think Atlanta would include the 1st rd pk and I'm not even sure they'd give us Bazemore and Collins for Andrew at this point. What do you think?

[Lipoli390]

I continue to believe that we can't do better realistically than a Miami deal that brings us both Richardson and Adebayo. And right now, reports are that Miami isn't even willing to give us either one of those two, much less both.

Watching these first three preseason games has confirmed for me that the Wolves are not going to be a playoff team this season. Therefore, I'd broaden the list of Butler deals to possibly include Taj Gibson as well, even though I'd love to have his salary savings next year and maybe even keep him here going forward for less than $14 million. Perhaps we can break the impasse with Miami by offering Taj along with Butler as part of the deal. Here's one possible deal:

Miami gets: Butler and Taj.
Wolves get: Richardson, Adebayo, Tyler Johnson & Heat's 1st rd pk (top 10 protected)

[Camden [enjin:6601484]]

MIN: SF/PF Otto Porter, PF Markieff Morris, SF Kelly Oubre

WAS: SG/SF Jimmy Butler, PF Taj Gibson

This would be pretty ideal as far as value and financial flexibility is concerned. Minnesota would have their long-term small forward plugged in for the foreseeable future and two additional rotation players who are both on expiring deals. Oubre, and possibly even Morris, would likely be a player you'd like to bring back at appropriate cost, but a player who won't break your back if you don't retain him in the following off-season.

Minnesota improves their three-point shooting both in terms of volume and efficiency. They add to their depth with Oubre. They also are a lot more versatile with several small-ball lineups at their disposal. This while having two studs -- Towns and Porter -- approaching the primes of their careers within the same window.

Keep in mind that I'd still search for a trade partner for Wiggins with or without this move. However, this trade would give us a potential fill-in with Oubre moving forward.

PG: Jeff Teague/ Tyus Jones
SG: Andrew Wiggins / Josh Okogie
SF: Otto Porter / Kelly Oubre
PF: Markieff Morris / Anthony Tolliver
C: Karl-Anthony Towns / Gorgui Dieng

Cam -- I'd love this deal for the Wolves. I actually think it's realistic too. For a Wiggins deal, how about Wiggins to Atlanta for Bazemore, John Collins and the Mav's protected 1st round pick? Personally, I don't think Atlanta would include the 1st rd pk and I'm not even sure they'd give us Bazemore and Collins for Andrew at this point. What do you think?

Personally, I would be in on that trade for Bazemore and a lottery-protected first-round pick. However, I doubt Atlanta would be interested in Wiggins at this point. They're building around a young, inexpensive nucleus that includes two very talented wings in Taurean Prince and Kevin Huerter. I'm high on both of them and think they could be a nice fit with each other. Acquiring a max contract that stunts those two players' development seems low on their list of priorities.

A team interested in acquiring Wiggins is going to have to be (1) desperate for a star and (2) all-in on his perceived potential. There aren't many teams that come to mind, which is problematic, but some that I could see being buyers are: Sacramento, Cleveland, Orlando, and Detroit.

[kekgeek]

MIN: SF/PF Otto Porter, PF Markieff Morris, SF Kelly Oubre

WAS: SG/SF Jimmy Butler, PF Taj Gibson

This would be pretty ideal as far as value and financial flexibility is concerned. Minnesota would have their long-term small forward plugged in for the foreseeable future and two additional rotation players who are both on expiring deals. Oubre, and possibly even Morris, would likely be a player you'd like to bring back at appropriate cost, but a player who won't break your back if you don't retain him in the following off-season.

Minnesota improves their three-point shooting both in terms of volume and efficiency. They add to their depth with Oubre. They also are a lot more versatile with several small-ball lineups at their disposal. This while having two studs -- Towns and Porter -- approaching the primes of their careers within the same window.

Keep in mind that I'd still search for a trade partner for Wiggins with or without this move. However, this trade would give us a potential fill-in with Oubre moving forward.

PG: Jeff Teague/ Tyus Jones
SG: Andrew Wiggins / Josh Okogie
SF: Otto Porter / Kelly Oubre
PF: Markieff Morris / Anthony Tolliver
C: Karl-Anthony Towns / Gorgui Dieng

Cam -- I'd love this deal for the Wolves. I actually think it's realistic too. For a Wiggins deal, how about Wiggins to Atlanta for Bazemore, John Collins and the Mav's protected 1st round pick? Personally, I don't think Atlanta would include the 1st rd pk and I'm not even sure they'd give us Bazemore and Collins for Andrew at this point. What do you think?

Personally, I would be in on that trade for Bazemore and a lottery-protected first-round pick. However, I doubt Atlanta would be interested in Wiggins at this point. They're building around a young, inexpensive nucleus that includes two very talented wings in Taurean Prince and Kevin Huerter. I'm high on both of them and think they could be a nice fit with each other. Acquiring a max contract that stunts those two players' development seems low on their list of priorities.

A team interested in acquiring Wiggins is going to have to be (1) desperate for a star and (2) all-in on his perceived potential. There aren't many teams that come to mind, which is problematic, but some that I could see being buyers are: Sacramento, Cleveland, Orlando, and Detroit.

It was reported by a Washington radio station that the wizards declined any offer involving Porter.

I just don't think the guys who you want (I would want them to and I don't think they are unrealistic) are available

[Camden [enjin:6601484]]

MIN: SF/PF Otto Porter, PF Markieff Morris, SF Kelly Oubre

WAS: SG/SF Jimmy Butler, PF Taj Gibson

This would be pretty ideal as far as value and financial flexibility is concerned. Minnesota would have their long-term small forward plugged in for the foreseeable future and two additional rotation players who are both on expiring deals. Oubre, and possibly even Morris, would likely be a player you'd like to bring back at appropriate cost, but a player who won't break your back if you don't retain him in the following off-season.

Minnesota improves their three-point shooting both in terms of volume and efficiency. They add to their depth with Oubre. They also are a lot more versatile with several small-ball lineups at their disposal. This while having two studs -- Towns and Porter -- approaching the primes of their careers within the same window.

Keep in mind that I'd still search for a trade partner for Wiggins with or without this move. However, this trade would give us a potential fill-in with Oubre moving forward.

PG: Jeff Teague/ Tyus Jones
SG: Andrew Wiggins / Josh Okogie
SF: Otto Porter / Kelly Oubre
PF: Markieff Morris / Anthony Tolliver
C: Karl-Anthony Towns / Gorgui Dieng

Cam -- I'd love this deal for the Wolves. I actually think it's realistic too. For a Wiggins deal, how about Wiggins to Atlanta for Bazemore, John Collins and the Mav's protected 1st round pick? Personally, I don't think Atlanta would include the 1st rd pk and I'm not even sure they'd give us Bazemore and Collins for Andrew at this point. What do you think?

Personally, I would be in on that trade for Bazemore and a lottery-protected first-round pick. However, I doubt Atlanta would be interested in Wiggins at this point. They're building around a young, inexpensive nucleus that includes two very talented wings in Taurean Prince and Kevin Huerter. I'm high on both of them and think they could be a nice fit with each other. Acquiring a max contract that stunts those two players' development seems low on their list of priorities.

A team interested in acquiring Wiggins is going to have to be (1) desperate for a star and (2) all-in on his perceived potential. There aren't many teams that come to mind, which is problematic, but some that I could see being buyers are: Sacramento, Cleveland, Orlando, and Detroit.

It was reported by a Washington radio station that the wizards declined any offer involving Porter.

I just don't think the guys who you want (I would want them to and I don't think they are unrealistic) are available

I was saying the same things when Andrew Wiggins "wasn't available" too. Teams aren't trying to trade their best assets; that's not how you negotiate. If you can rob someone blind, you do it. These reports are negotiation tactics, though. They're meant to lower the value the selling team is requesting. You think Miami is going to turn their backs on acquiring Jimmy Butler just to keep Josh Richardson? Of course not, but they're going to try their best to get him without giving him up. Absolutely.

Remember Cleveland's "best offer" at first for Kevin Love? I do. It was Dion Waiters, Anthony Bennett, and a first-round pick. Wiggins was off the table. David Blatt came out and talked about how he had nothing to worry about because he wasn't getting dealt.

It's negotiations. There are tactics and games involved. If you guys don't understand this, I'm afraid you haven't been paying attention to the NBA closely enough. With patience will come anxiety and at some point we'll hear of more compelling offers being floated around.

[thedoper]

No other team is going to offer any of these better assets as long as Glen Taylor has advertised that he is involved. They've sniffed out the chaos and and trying to screw us for it. They're all banking on Glen's impatience which will likely come to fruition any day now and result in a crappy deal.

[KG4Ever]

I like Richardson, if we can't land Porter or Covington (who I think are potentially attainable). I think we should stop asking for Bam as I think Miami values him a lot and I doubt they would give up both Richardson and Bam (who I think they value too much). I don't want a deal hung up over whether we get Bam back. As far as filler, I definitely want either Winslow (who flashed some two way potential in college and has good handles) or Whiteside and most definitely not Waiters. There is a lot of ripping on Whiteside because of attitude problems, but I would take him over any other salary filler guys like Johnson, Waiters and even Dragic (too old for my liking) etc. Even with a so-called bad attitude he has been the Heat's best player this preseason and and he'll be playing for a new contract next season (19-20), so at least there is some hope that he'll be incentivized in a year and maybe even this year to show Miami they made a mistake. It wasn't that long ago he was considered one of the top centers, but Miami likes Abedayo and he is being phased out because he hasn't lived up to the lofty expectations. Before I get attacked, I am not saying he's worth a max deal but if we offload Gorgui and Butler's contract he'll fit in and his contract will be up before Gorgui's. A low risk/high reward gamble.

Here's a blurb just a year ago:

Hassan Whiteside, Miami Heat

Whiteside went from the D-League with the Sacramento Kings to a max deal with the Miami Heat by learning to use his 7'0", 265-pound body to become a dominating rim protector. It's hard to find another player in the league with Whiteside's size and athletic ability--he's a big man that can do it all. Whiteside scores from anywhere in the paint, passes with perceptive skill, and creates a one-man Bermuda Triangle against opposing shooters, like on this one-handed block against the Hornets Opens a New Window. . Whiteside led the league in blocks during the 2015-16 Opens a New Window. season, and now he's a perennial Defensive Player of the Year contender. https://www.mensjournal.com/sports/top-20-fittest-nba-players-2017-18/james-harden-houston-rockets/

[crazy-canuck [enjin:18955461]]

ESPN Sources: Minnesota-Miami talks escalated close to a Jimmy Butler deal over weekend - only to see trade fall apart. Minnesota shared Butler's medical info with Miami, owners were involved and sides prepared to finalize. Minnesota pushed for more, talks fractured.

https://mobile.twitter.com/wojespn/status/1048955525113810945

I dont even think richardson nor bam are the untouchable type prospects. Im guessing that these are the 2 guys thibs probably wanted. Riley probably wanted to give us a package around waiters and whiteside plus pick or Winslow.

Bam has git some biyombo in him.
Richardson is that elusive 3 and d role player. Hed also immediately become the oldest core member on the team by a couple of years.