TD retires now it is KG's turn

[Coolbreeze44]

If there is any shred of truth to the rumor that Wiggins can't stand KG, one of them needs to go and it isn't #22. I don't think anyone currently inside the organization has sentimental feelings for KG, including the owner. Some day they will put #21 in the rafters and that will be a feel good moment, but I don't expect to see KG with an organizational role in the future.

[AbeVigodaLive]

As noted, Flip's death probably plays the largest role in the discord. After all, I can't imagine it was Glen Taylor who was key in bringing Garnett back.

Taylor's comments about Garnett after the trade to Boston were just so petty and all-around terrible and buffoonish. Maybe that fence hasn't been mended after all.

[bleedspeed]

I think Thibs will do the right thing and cut him loose.

[Monster]

As noted, Flip's death probably plays the largest role in the discord. After all, I can't imagine it was Glen Taylor who was key in bringing Garnett back.

Taylor's comments about Garnett after the trade to Boston were just so petty and all-around terrible and buffoonish. Maybe that fence hasn't been mended after all.

No I don't the fences were completely mended but I think it was mostly fine (relatively speaking) but really only so much time has passed since KG came back.

People talk about the promises made to KG I think those were basically all based on Flip. Glen couldn't promise him anything except maybe a job with the organization afterwards and I get no sense that was offered or Kg actually had interest in that. It's all about ownership or some sort of stake in it. Flip already had a tiny share but KG likely would have had enough money with Flip (who we now know was a business guy) to put together a decent minority share of the team or MAYBE down the line they put together investors for even more. I would think Glen would have been open to something like that but he could not promise either guy anything. Flip because he didn't have the finances and KG because he was/is still a player.

When Flip passed it meant a lot of things were likely to change. I bet it was hard on Glen to move on and go outside the organization even though obviously he came to the conclusion that it was (very likely) the correct decision. That's pretty obvious since at one point he was going to give Milt a trial run at being the guy running the franchise this summer. Glen is a pretty loyal guy himself. We forget it hasn't even been a year since Flip passed. We know they knew things were dire with Flip's health earlier than that but still so so so many things have changed since then.

I'm sure KG feels like there were some promises broken but he should also see what kind of difficult situation Glen and others in the organization were up against. It's a tough deal for everyone especially since some are likely still in a grieving process.

The last few months for me personally have been somewhat difficult in terms of loss. Most recently a former boss, friend and mentor that among other things gave me the nickname "monster" just passed away a few days ago at the age of 60. I still don't think I have any kind of sense of what KG, Glen and others involved with the organization went through with their loss of Flip. I'm just a fan and I get emotional thinking about it sometimes. I think sometimes this situation with KG has been made out to be way way way more simple than it is. In reality it's vastly complicated from a wide variety of directions.

[longstrangetrip [enjin:6600564]]

As noted previously... money isn't an issue right now.

Pay Garnett the full amount and move on. Or, is Garnett refusing to take any sort of buyout?

Yeah, I agree with this take...let's get this over with. And as to your question, I think a team always has the right to cut a player...although they still have to pay the player the full amount of his contract.

I wonder if the delay also might be impacted by the other discussion I had at breakfast. I asked about Pek and got a "we don't know". But then he went on to say that there wasn't much financial risk to the Wolves if Pek can't play because of a very favorable insurance policy. On my drive home, I wondered if they have a similar policy on KG. Maybe the negotiations going on are with the insurance company (is KG really hurt or not?) as well as with KG, and maybe the former is more important to Glen et al than the latter.

[Lipoli390]

I got some inside dope today at breakfast that I think I will share because it's not particularly surprising and I don't think we take things said in confidence outside this board. When I asked whether KG would be back this year, the answer was "we hope not". The relationship between the wolves and KG is severely strained, and they are actively working on a buyout. I'm guessing that is why KG was a late scratch on his radio appearance last week...his agent is probably telling him to lie low. It doesn't sound like there is much cooperation, so I would guess it will cost them the entire $8 million to say goodbye.

Robson tweeted about the rupture in the relationship 2 days ago, but took it in a different direction. "If KG+Wolves at odds, think distraction of keeping him around this yr pales to distraction of trying to force him off roster against his will". Yikes, no good. I don't think I agree with Robson on this one. KG has a very strong personality, and that can be very good or very bad. He was happy last year for the most part, and I really think his presence was positive for the team...both on and off the court. But is sounds like he is bitter now, and an unhappy KG could be really ugly. But since he holds all the cards, there's no reason for him to bargain. My guess is Glen ends up paying him the full $8 million to make him go away, and Thibs can use that roster space to add another wing. Just a guess though.

If it's posted on this or any other message board, it's public. I don't know what promises Flip made to KG regarding management or ownership, but those promises would have been Flip's and not from Wolves' ownership. And of course, the current management team wasn't even around to make any promises. If any promises were made by Flip, I have no idea whether KG is pissed about the organization not following through on any of them.

But here's what I do know. I know through an unassailable source that KG definitely wants to play this season. I also know that the Wolves have an $8 million contractual obligation to pay him as a player for the season. So it seems simple to me. Thibs should sit down with KG and tell him he wants him back for a final farewell tour and to potentially help this young team make a playoff push with his knowledge and maybe some quality minutes. Towns and Ricky both like KG and I'm told the feeling is mutual. Others not so much, but they can buck up for one year. That's the right thing and the smart thing to do in my view. What Thibs, Scott and Glen are actually doing with respect to KG is an unknown.

Now if it's true that KG is pouting over the firing of Sam Mitchell, then that's on KG and I'd favor just buying him out.

[longstrangetrip [enjin:6600564]]

I got some inside dope today at breakfast that I think I will share because it's not particularly surprising and I don't think we take things said in confidence outside this board. When I asked whether KG would be back this year, the answer was "we hope not". The relationship between the wolves and KG is severely strained, and they are actively working on a buyout. I'm guessing that is why KG was a late scratch on his radio appearance last week...his agent is probably telling him to lie low. It doesn't sound like there is much cooperation, so I would guess it will cost them the entire $8 million to say goodbye.

Robson tweeted about the rupture in the relationship 2 days ago, but took it in a different direction. "If KG+Wolves at odds, think distraction of keeping him around this yr pales to distraction of trying to force him off roster against his will". Yikes, no good. I don't think I agree with Robson on this one. KG has a very strong personality, and that can be very good or very bad. He was happy last year for the most part, and I really think his presence was positive for the team...both on and off the court. But is sounds like he is bitter now, and an unhappy KG could be really ugly. But since he holds all the cards, there's no reason for him to bargain. My guess is Glen ends up paying him the full $8 million to make him go away, and Thibs can use that roster space to add another wing. Just a guess though.

If it's posted on this or any other message board, it's public. I don't know what promises Flip made to KG regarding management or ownership, but those promises would have been Flip's and not from Wolves' ownership. And of course, the current management team wasn't even around to make any promises. If any promises were made by Flip, I have no idea whether KG is pissed about the organization not following through on any of them.

But here's what I do know. I know through an unassailable source that KG definitely wants to play this season. I also know that the Wolves have an $8 million contractual obligation to pay him as a player for the season. So it seems simple to me. Thibs should sit down with KG and tell him he wants him back for a final farewell tour and to potentially help this young team make a playoff push with his knowledge and maybe some quality minutes. Towns and Ricky both like KG and I'm told the feeling is mutual. Others not so much, but they can buck up for one year. That's the right thing and the smart thing to do in my view. What Thibs, Scott and Glen are actually doing with respect to KG is an unknown.

Now if it's true that KG is pouting over the firing of Sam Mitchell, then that's on KG and I'd favor just buying him out.

It's the second week in august and Thibs has been on the job for several months, and he and KG have yet to sit down and have a discussion...that tells me there's something going on there. One of them doesn't want to sit down with the other, and my guess is that it is KG. KG is a strong character and seems to be bitter about something, although we don't exactly know what he is bitter about. To the best of my knowledge, only Sam has suggested that KG is bitter about his firing, so we don't know that is the reason. All I know is I don't want an unhappy ex-star with a strong personality on this young roster...time to cut the cord now.

[Monster]

I got some inside dope today at breakfast that I think I will share because it's not particularly surprising and I don't think we take things said in confidence outside this board. When I asked whether KG would be back this year, the answer was "we hope not". The relationship between the wolves and KG is severely strained, and they are actively working on a buyout. I'm guessing that is why KG was a late scratch on his radio appearance last week...his agent is probably telling him to lie low. It doesn't sound like there is much cooperation, so I would guess it will cost them the entire $8 million to say goodbye.

Robson tweeted about the rupture in the relationship 2 days ago, but took it in a different direction. "If KG+Wolves at odds, think distraction of keeping him around this yr pales to distraction of trying to force him off roster against his will". Yikes, no good. I don't think I agree with Robson on this one. KG has a very strong personality, and that can be very good or very bad. He was happy last year for the most part, and I really think his presence was positive for the team...both on and off the court. But is sounds like he is bitter now, and an unhappy KG could be really ugly. But since he holds all the cards, there's no reason for him to bargain. My guess is Glen ends up paying him the full $8 million to make him go away, and Thibs can use that roster space to add another wing. Just a guess though.

If it's posted on this or any other message board, it's public. I don't know what promises Flip made to KG regarding management or ownership, but those promises would have been Flip's and not from Wolves' ownership. And of course, the current management team wasn't even around to make any promises. If any promises were made by Flip, I have no idea whether KG is pissed about the organization not following through on any of them.

But here's what I do know. I know through an unassailable source that KG definitely wants to play this season. I also know that the Wolves have an $8 million contractual obligation to pay him as a player for the season. So it seems simple to me. Thibs should sit down with KG and tell him he wants him back for a final farewell tour and to potentially help this young team make a playoff push with his knowledge and maybe some quality minutes. Towns and Ricky both like KG and I'm told the feeling is mutual. Others not so much, but they can buck up for one year. That's the right thing and the smart thing to do in my view. What Thibs, Scott and Glen are actually doing with respect to KG is an unknown.

Now if it's true that KG is pouting over the firing of Sam Mitchell, then that's on KG and I'd favor just buying him out.

It's the second week in august and Thibs has been on the job for several months, and he and KG have yet to sit down and have a discussion...that tells me there's something going on there. One of them doesn't want to sit down with the other, and my guess is that it is KG. KG is a strong character and seems to be bitter about something, although we don't exactly know what he is bitter about. To the best of my knowledge, only Sam has suggested that KG is bitter about his firing, so we don't know that is the reason. All I know is I don't want an unhappy ex-star with a strong personality on this young roster...time to cut the cord now.

Huh somehow I missed LST's insider info post and Q's subsequent post.

As someone without insider info my take away is that this is mostly on KG at this point. I just don't see Thibs a guy that's been around the game forever and spent time with KG in Boston actively trying to get rid of him even if he isn't thrilled with the idea of a part time guy taking up a roster spot. Layden seems to classy for that. Are they getting on their knees begging him to come back? No and maybe it wouldn't do any good anyway it does seem like the beef is with Glen and ownership etc.

It's a bad and sad situation but eventually it will pass and life will go on. Hopefully KG will get over it enough to at least come back for a ceremony so he and the fans can have their moment with each other. If not we have the game he came back and that turn back the clock dunk last year.

[bleedspeed]

I think Flip planned to buy the Wolves va a group of investors including KG. That is out the window now.

I don't think the issue is about Sam ot Thibs. I think it is with Taylor. KG needs to grow up and realize he got paid huge dollars to play this game if he has been wronged it has been small potatoes. Him playing hard ball hurts himself more then the team.

[Hicks123 [enjin:6700838]]

I hate KG more every day. I am sick of the treatment these grown men (I use the term very loosely) get. KG is done as a meaningful player. Now, it is about legacy for him. People bring up that they should sign him for his "farewell tour", much like the Kobe campaign. Did no one else notice how awful that campaign was for the Lakers? At this point, his being on or around this team will be a distraction at best, and an implosion at worst. You have to judge him on a "what can he provide for me now" type scale. The answer is very few games of spot minutes. Hardly worth the negatives he brings.

Do whatever it takes to get him as far away from this team as possible...and do it quickly.