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Phenom's_Revenge wrote:
alexftbl8181 wrote:
Phenom's_Revenge wrote:Can we give Ricky a break if he is shooting a higher percentage than his opponent? Ricky is currently shooting 39.2% and his defensive field goal percentage is 32.8%. That is tied for best in the league. I think that number solidifies him as a top 10 point guard.


Where does that stat come from? I mean Lillard went off for 34 on 14-25 shooting, so where does that fit in?


The source is the Miami Herald's Manny Navarro. I did misread it though. He is tied for 3rd in the L, not 1st. Still if we are going to asterisk Ricky's numbers because of one great game in L.A. we should treat a Lillard explosion as that. One game. Plus Ricky did not necessarily defend all of his 14 makes.



That's true. I think Lillard scored 9 straight in the 3rd with LaVine on him.
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AbeVigodaLive wrote:
Phenom's_Revenge wrote:
alexftbl8181 wrote:
Phenom's_Revenge wrote:Can we give Ricky a break if he is shooting a higher percentage than his opponent? Ricky is currently shooting 39.2% and his defensive field goal percentage is 32.8%. That is tied for best in the league. I think that number solidifies him as a top 10 point guard.


Where does that stat come from? I mean Lillard went off for 34 on 14-25 shooting, so where does that fit in?


The source is the Miami Herald's Manny Navarro. I did misread it though. He is tied for 3rd in the L, not 1st. Still if we are going to asterisk Ricky's numbers because of one great game in L.A. we should treat a Lillard explosion as that. One game. Plus Ricky did not necessarily defend all of his 14 makes.



That's true. I think Lillard scored 9 straight in the 3rd with LaVine on him.



Regardless, Rubio is a fine defensive player, but it's not as big as some people think. They still had bad defenses when he was healthy for the whole year. Towns is the difference maker here. Even a guy like Curry is going to be affected more defensively by Towns then by Rubio. Coming off screens and picks, Rubio or most other point guards for that matter aren't really going to affect Curry's shot. If Curry's being shut down on the drives by Towns, then that's where the difference is
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alexftbl8181 wrote:
AbeVigodaLive wrote:
Phenom's_Revenge wrote:
alexftbl8181 wrote:
Phenom's_Revenge wrote:Can we give Ricky a break if he is shooting a higher percentage than his opponent? Ricky is currently shooting 39.2% and his defensive field goal percentage is 32.8%. That is tied for best in the league. I think that number solidifies him as a top 10 point guard.


Where does that stat come from? I mean Lillard went off for 34 on 14-25 shooting, so where does that fit in?


The source is the Miami Herald's Manny Navarro. I did misread it though. He is tied for 3rd in the L, not 1st. Still if we are going to asterisk Ricky's numbers because of one great game in L.A. we should treat a Lillard explosion as that. One game. Plus Ricky did not necessarily defend all of his 14 makes.



That's true. I think Lillard scored 9 straight in the 3rd with LaVine on him.



Regardless, Rubio is a fine defensive player, but it's not as big as some people think. They still had bad defenses when he was healthy for the whole year. Towns is the difference maker here. Even a guy like Curry is going to be affected more defensively by Towns then by Rubio. Coming off screens and picks, Rubio or most other point guards for that matter aren't really going to affect Curry's shot. If Curry's being shut down on the drives by Towns, then that's where the difference is


Towns does give guys like Ricky the ability to be more aggressive on defense without the fear of giving up an automatic layup if they miss a step. This was on full display in Chicago. Ricky was an absolute terror. That said it isn't mutually exclusive. They are both top notch defensive players.

Edit. Also by your scenario I think the defensive field goal percentage would shift to Towns as he would be defending the shot. This isn't just cut and dry matchups that we see on paper.
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alexftbl8181 wrote:
AbeVigodaLive wrote:
Phenom's_Revenge wrote:
alexftbl8181 wrote:
Phenom's_Revenge wrote:Can we give Ricky a break if he is shooting a higher percentage than his opponent? Ricky is currently shooting 39.2% and his defensive field goal percentage is 32.8%. That is tied for best in the league. I think that number solidifies him as a top 10 point guard.


Where does that stat come from? I mean Lillard went off for 34 on 14-25 shooting, so where does that fit in?


The source is the Miami Herald's Manny Navarro. I did misread it though. He is tied for 3rd in the L, not 1st. Still if we are going to asterisk Ricky's numbers because of one great game in L.A. we should treat a Lillard explosion as that. One game. Plus Ricky did not necessarily defend all of his 14 makes.



That's true. I think Lillard scored 9 straight in the 3rd with LaVine on him.



Regardless, Rubio is a fine defensive player, but it's not as big as some people think. They still had bad defenses when he was healthy for the whole year. Towns is the difference maker here. Even a guy like Curry is going to be affected more defensively by Towns then by Rubio. Coming off screens and picks, Rubio or most other point guards for that matter aren't really going to affect Curry's shot. If Curry's being shut down on the drives by Towns, then that's where the difference is


Great point Rubio or any on ball defender can only do so much. The other defender has to do something. In some cases I have seen the Wolves bigs actually stay with the screener so not only does the defender have to get around the screener but they have to navigate around the other defender too. I've seen more progress in that area the last couple of games and this year the bigs have certainly done more to defend in general on those type do plays.
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Sam deserves some credit for the improved defense. He clearly installed a different defensive philosophy, as seen in the first day of training camp. And he clearly has put an emphasis on defense compared to recent predecessors. Kudos to Sam.
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Defense is the hardest thing to assign "credit" to various players. But I think we can all agree that a) Rubio is a very good defender, and b) Towns is a very good defender by rookie standards, and perhaps even by veteran Starting Center standards.....More data needed on part b), but he has been really promising early.
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Q12543 wrote:Defense is the hardest thing to assign "credit" to various players. But I think we can all agree that a) Rubio is a very good defender, and b) Towns is a very good defender by rookie standards, and perhaps even by veteran Starting Center standards.....More data needed on part b), but he has been really promising early.


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