Might as well talk draft....

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Q12543 wrote:Hard to believe we're going to roster three new rookie draft picks when it feels like we need to lock in on another starting-caliber player to slot into one of the starting forward positions and we already have multiple young guys on rookie or undrafted free agent deals that are pretty cheap.


I agree which is why I I think this team is looking to move that #1 overall pick and might look to move #17 especially if they don't move #1. I could also see them move another young player for someone more established. It takes 2 to tango though so if they don't get the deal they want just take the guys you like best and go from there. Sometimes teams do deals before the season starts etc. I think the team has some decent players/assets to make some moves that would t have to be blockbuster deals but might land a guy that can be more impactful right away. For example I'd guess Naz Reid would hold some value especially if the team needed some sort of big like let's say in pure hypothetical situation that Chicago was willing to give up Wendall Carter Jr. getting Reid (or maybe Spellman) would help them pull the trigger.

I think Okogie is the guy That would reasonably be available in deals I'd really hate to move. It feels like there is still some potential there and the guy plays with physicality and edge. Okogie seems to have the physical tools to actually survive playing that way. I feel like even if Okogie is a flawed player he seems to have a certain knack for playing basketball. He seems like a guy that will find a way to help wing games. Maybe he is just a bench player and will have to many flaws but he did improve statistically last season. Just a reminder that because of trades and injuries he played the most minutes for the Wolves last year closely followed by Culver. It will be interesting to see what Rosas can pull off. It seems he isn't too afraid to pull the trigger.
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Q12543 wrote:Hard to believe we're going to roster three new rookie draft picks when it feels like we need to lock in on another starting-caliber player to slot into one of the starting forward positions and we already have multiple young guys on rookie or undrafted free agent deals that are pretty cheap.


Calling it now Aaron Gordon for James Johnson and the #17th pick is happening.
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If the wolves stay at #1 I want Edwards

My preference is trading #1, Evans, Spellman for #7 and Kennard if possible.

If they draft at #7 my preference is Vassel, Haliburton, Hayes, Toppin in that order (assuming Wiseman is taken).

I've said this trade 100 times but love to do #17 and Johnson for Gordon

At #32 I would love Winston, just don't think guards of those college accolades ever suck. Not sure he will be amazing but he won't suck.

Leaving the draft with a lineup of:
Russell/McLaughlin/Winston
Beasley/Culver/Vassel
Kennard/okogie/layman
Gordon/Vanderbilt
Towns/Naz

I would be so happy!
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if you guys haven't seen that video of Vassell reworking his jump shot, you'll be scared to death to select him now.
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WildWolf2813 wrote:if you guys haven't seen that video of Vassell reworking his jump shot, you'll be scared to death to select him now.


I watched that. Very short video, very ugly looking jump shot. They all went in though. I could definitely see a scenario where the Wolves took him and they stopped going in. Not sure if I would attribute that to Vassell or the Wolves though.
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thedoper wrote:
WildWolf2813 wrote:if you guys haven't seen that video of Vassell reworking his jump shot, you'll be scared to death to select him now.


I watched that. Very short video, very ugly looking jump shot. They all went in though. I could definitely see a scenario where the Wolves took him and they stopped going in. Not sure if I would attribute that to Vassell or the Wolves though.


Hmmm...that is at least a little concerning regardless of the franchise that takes him.
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I'm not excited about the prospect of trading away a first-round pick for Aaron Gordon and paying him 16-18M annually the next two years. That just feels like a losing situation for Minnesota. Either he won't play well enough to justify the trade or he will have a big season right before he's a free agent and the Wolves won't be able to pay him -- or they'll find a way to pay him and he'll regress to the mean.

I just want no part of that situation.
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kekgeek1 wrote:If the wolves stay at #1 I want Edwards

My preference is trading #1, Evans, Spellman for #7 and Kennard if possible.

If they draft at #7 my preference is Vassel, Haliburton, Hayes, Toppin in that order (assuming Wiseman is taken).

I've said this trade 100 times but love to do #17 and Johnson for Gordon

At #32 I would love Winston, just don't think guards of those college accolades ever suck. Not sure he will be amazing but he won't suck.

Leaving the draft with a lineup of:
Russell/McLaughlin/Winston
Beasley/Culver/Vassel
Kennard/okogie/layman
Gordon/Vanderbilt
Towns/Naz

I would be so happy!


Dropping from No. 1 to No. 7 just to get Luke Kennard would be disappointing in my view. While Kennard is a good young shooting guard in the league, he's just not moving the needle for this team. He's not fixing any of their current needs either. We'd also be out of range for what I consider to be the better prospects in the draft. And then you find yourself in a situation where you'll be spending something like $30-million annually at the SG spot between him and Malik Beasley and neither of them have positional flexibility. Kennard can not play the three position in this league.

Furthermore, let's say you can get Buddy Hield for 17, Jarrett Culver, and James Johnson. Isn't that the much better deal in comparison while retaining the first overall pick? What if the Hawks drafted Anthony Edwards and the Wolves could trade Culver for Kevin Huerter? Neither are perfect moves, but in both Minnesota would keep the top pick.

Edit: Kennard is definitely better than Beasley, in my view, but my point still stands.
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Camden wrote:I'm not excited about the prospect of trading away a first-round pick for Aaron Gordon and paying him 16-18M annually the next two years. That just feels like a losing situation for Minnesota. Either he won't play well enough to justify the trade or he will have a big season right before he's a free agent and the Wolves won't be able to pay him -- or they'll find a way to pay him and he'll regress to the mean.

I just want no part of that situation.


Gordon is one of these guys that in theory seems to really fill a need as our starting 4. The problem is I'm not sure he is quite the defensive menace he was originally projected to be a few years ago. I'd much rather have Isaac, but I suspect he's the guy that makes Gordon expendable for Orlando.
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I'd be fine getting Gordon for 17 and Johnson. The odds of getting a player as good as Gordon at that spot in the draft isn't good. Gordon fills a hole on the team and gives us an important flex defender we need in the West with how many elite wings there are in the conference. Use the number 1 pick to get the third star whether that be making the pick or trading it and bring in Gordon as a role player for 17 that fills a need. I don't really care about the money. We need competence and we need to start winning in the West before we start looking at long term roster implications with contracts IMO.
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