Hicks123 wrote:BizarroJerry wrote:Hicks123 wrote:BizarroJerry wrote:lipoli390 wrote:AbeVigodaLive wrote:lipoli390 wrote:The team is better with Tyus at PG. Two reasons for that. First and foremost, Tyus is much better than Teague or Rose at moving and sharing the ball. He's a natural PG who knows instinctively how to run an offense and make his teammates better. Note that Wiggins was better offensively when Rubio ran the offense. Second, he's a better team defender than the other two PG. He's not super quick or big, but he has great instincts and quick hands.
Teague's a good player, but he's a poor fit for this team. I'm hoping there's a team that will give us value for Teague at the Feb. deadline. It would have to be a contender that loses their PG to an injury. For example, if Lowry went down with an injury. I could see them giving up a future 1st for Teague. Not sure what the salary match would be.
Teague takes 10 shots per game. Rose takes 15 shots per game. One is indecisive moving the ball... the other one only does it when creating for himself breaks down.
Jones took 5 shots in 32 minutes. Obviously, if he's the one initiating the offense that means more shots for others... and better ball movement.
I'd be interested to see how many dribbles Jones + Bayless took last night compared to Teague + Rose on an average night. It's probably pretty telling.
[Note: I don't believe Jones can be a long-term starter in this league... but because he brings something so unique to this team... I'm really glad he's on the squad.]
The ideal role for Tyus for the Wolves long term would be as the main backup PG and major part of the rotation. That assumes neither Teague nor Rose as the team's starting PG.
But I can see Tyus as a solid starting PG for the Wolves if he becomes a more consistent shooter. I think that with significant regular minutes as part of the starting unit he'd become a reliable shooter. He's always been a good shooter at every level. Tyus wouldn't need to score much playing with Towns, Wiggins, RoCo and Saric. He'd need to shoot well enough to keep defenses honest.
Count me in the camp that wants Tyus to get a shot at being the starter. If we can get him for 12-14 million. That's better than Teague at 20 mil.
12-14....for Tyus Jones? This is getting crazy. I like Tyus just fine,but he is a $4-5MM player right now. He simply does too many things poorly to justify a big contract. His trajectory is a mid-tier backup. Nothing he has done to date says otherwise.
People fall for the idea that he can just facilitate because we have a good offense around him. IMO, this doesn't work anymore. A scoring PG has become critical to running an effective team. If we had a dynamic ball-handling SG next to him, it may make more sense, but that is not this team.
Well so maybe his market is somewhere in the middle. Who knows. Seems like the board is split on what his potential is. But your Gorgui point is valid. I would give him a chance before bringing in another vet.
Bizarro.....this is exactly the problem. The way I see it, Tyus is at best a $8MM player in this league, and that's with SIGNIFICANT improvement on skills we just haven't seen. I too would like to give him a chance to be a backup, but to other posters point, that is the exact situation we had with Dieng. He was another guy that showed a bit of promise, and we way overpaid "to see what he could do". The great thing about many of the mid tier vet players is that you know exactly what you are paying for....and often, you can get one of these guys at vet min or a bit over. If I thought Tyus had any way of jumping his ceiling, I would think about it.....but I just don't see any skill that offers that type of upside.
They just need to be careful with the hometown kid. He may bite us long term.
I won't go into the bad history of Wolves making the wrong decisions getting burned that PG position when they actually have some talent...
Anywho I just don't see unless Tyus goes bonkers and plays really well the next 50 or whatever games any team offering up some chunk of money approaching 10 million a year. There are gonna be a lot of PG options out there. I was off the Tyuscan start bandwagon but the last couple games he looks more like that could actually be an option. He still has to get better as a shooter or scorer but he looks more like the guy younwould expect finding ways to get guys looks etc. he can defend. In this game he got posted up by Paul George and he picked his pocket. That's a heck of a play. The good news is regardless we don't have to make a decision too soon and he is gonna get an opportunity to play as the main initiator at least for the bench group for a few games with Teague out.
Also Bayless has been pretty damn solid in his 2 games so far. I'm glad they kept him around. Heck if he played a few games like this some team would actually want him because he plays basketball. He seems like a pretty good vet influence. I was impressed with his defense for the most part in this game. I don't know if he would keep being solid over any stretch of games though.
