worldK wrote:Hypothetically. If sixers call and offer fultz and the 10th pick for jimmy. Will you go for it?
If they'd include Covington and take on Diengs contract I would.
Butler, Dieng and 48th pick for 10th pick, Fultz, Covington and Bayless.
worldK wrote:Hypothetically. If sixers call and offer fultz and the 10th pick for jimmy. Will you go for it?
kekgeek1 wrote:I think we should all remember even the great Warriors were not built in a day. I mean they won 23 games (where there fans were booing their own off the court) then they went out and added an All NBA center the next year in Bogut. They won 47 games (the same as the wolves this year), now this was without Draymond Green being nothing at as a rookie. But they started the winning culture, they went on to add Iggy via trade getting rid of all their bad contracts to obtain him. They took a mini step and won 51 games and lost in the 1st round of the playoffs. Then they took off and they fired Jackson and hired Kerr. They added Speights, Livingston and Barbosa for a combined 10 million.
They developed a winning culture 1st, they had nothing from Draymond in his 1st year and played 20 minutes in the 2nd year. Players developed internally while adding above average vet talent. They also were able to add role players on the cheap.
In the end the Wolves need to have their young guys need to continue to develop from KAT to Amile Jefferson. Adding our vets helps with the winning culture and should give the Wolves guys experiences on what they need to work on. Maybe Thibs is the Mark Jackson in this situation, but I would rather be in the situation we are in now where players are learning how to win than hoping 5 other young guys figure out how to win in the waste land of lottery pick after lottery pick.
CoolBreeze44 wrote:The best organizations find the right players. It doesn't matter to me as a fan how you do it, just that you do it. I don't care who was predicted over whom by what experts. The scoreboard says the Jazz found Gobert and Mitchell and we didn't. If you want to apologize for your front office (Like Minnesota sports fans have been doing for decades) that's within your right as a fan. But it's my right to critique the job our GM's do after the fact, even if I didn't disclose the right path before it. I don't get paid to do that.
With Butler, Thibs has limited our potential to become a contender even though he is our best player. As i see it, his only chance is to turn Butler into multiple assets so we can continue to build around KAT. He shot for the moon too soon with Jimmy. It was the right idea but it came at a high cost and at the wrong time.
KiwiMatt wrote:worldK wrote:Hypothetically. If sixers call and offer fultz and the 10th pick for jimmy. Will you go for it?
If they'd include Covington and take on Diengs contract I would.
Butler, Dieng and 48th pick for 10th pick, Fultz, Covington and Bayless.
worldK wrote:KiwiMatt wrote:worldK wrote:Hypothetically. If sixers call and offer fultz and the 10th pick for jimmy. Will you go for it?
If they'd include Covington and take on Diengs contract I would.
Butler, Dieng and 48th pick for 10th pick, Fultz, Covington and Bayless.
This sounds like a very reasonable deal. Philly is looking to add bron,pg or kawhi but are unlikely to get any of those 3. Jimmy is probably at the same tier as pg and a proven impact player.
lipoli390 wrote:kekgeek1 wrote:I think we should all remember even the great Warriors were not built in a day. I mean they won 23 games (where there fans were booing their own off the court) then they went out and added an All NBA center the next year in Bogut. They won 47 games (the same as the wolves this year), now this was without Draymond Green being nothing at as a rookie. But they started the winning culture, they went on to add Iggy via trade getting rid of all their bad contracts to obtain him. They took a mini step and won 51 games and lost in the 1st round of the playoffs. Then they took off and they fired Jackson and hired Kerr. They added Speights, Livingston and Barbosa for a combined 10 million.
They developed a winning culture 1st, they had nothing from Draymond in his 1st year and played 20 minutes in the 2nd year. Players developed internally while adding above average vet talent. They also were able to add role players on the cheap.
In the end the Wolves need to have their young guys need to continue to develop from KAT to Amile Jefferson. Adding our vets helps with the winning culture and should give the Wolves guys experiences on what they need to work on. Maybe Thibs is the Mark Jackson in this situation, but I would rather be in the situation we are in now where players are learning how to win than hoping 5 other young guys figure out how to win in the waste land of lottery pick after lottery pick.
Adding Bogut had little or nothing to do with the Warriors jump from 23 wins to 47 wins. What was the difference? Curry went from playing in only 23 games to playing in 74. Bingo, that's the difference. Oh, and they added Draymond Green the season they won 47 games. And guess how many games Bogut played in that 47-win season? Answer: 32. So no, Bogut had next to nothing to do with the Warriors success that season or thereafter. It was smart drafting of players like Curry, Thompson and Green and their patience as they developed them and stuck with Curry in spite of his ankle problems.
lipoli390 wrote:worldK wrote:KiwiMatt wrote:worldK wrote:Hypothetically. If sixers call and offer fultz and the 10th pick for jimmy. Will you go for it?
If they'd include Covington and take on Diengs contract I would.
Butler, Dieng and 48th pick for 10th pick, Fultz, Covington and Bayless.
This sounds like a very reasonable deal. Philly is looking to add bron,pg or kawhi but are unlikely to get any of those 3. Jimmy is probably at the same tier as pg and a proven impact player.
I agree. I see this deal as a good one for the Wolves and a realistic one. I'd prefer Saric over Covington though. But I'm not sure if that's as realistic.
monsterpile wrote:lipoli390 wrote:kekgeek1 wrote:I think we should all remember even the great Warriors were not built in a day. I mean they won 23 games (where there fans were booing their own off the court) then they went out and added an All NBA center the next year in Bogut. They won 47 games (the same as the wolves this year), now this was without Draymond Green being nothing at as a rookie. But they started the winning culture, they went on to add Iggy via trade getting rid of all their bad contracts to obtain him. They took a mini step and won 51 games and lost in the 1st round of the playoffs. Then they took off and they fired Jackson and hired Kerr. They added Speights, Livingston and Barbosa for a combined 10 million.
They developed a winning culture 1st, they had nothing from Draymond in his 1st year and played 20 minutes in the 2nd year. Players developed internally while adding above average vet talent. They also were able to add role players on the cheap.
In the end the Wolves need to have their young guys need to continue to develop from KAT to Amile Jefferson. Adding our vets helps with the winning culture and should give the Wolves guys experiences on what they need to work on. Maybe Thibs is the Mark Jackson in this situation, but I would rather be in the situation we are in now where players are learning how to win than hoping 5 other young guys figure out how to win in the waste land of lottery pick after lottery pick.
Adding Bogut had little or nothing to do with the Warriors jump from 23 wins to 47 wins. What was the difference? Curry went from playing in only 23 games to playing in 74. Bingo, that's the difference. Oh, and they added Draymond Green the season they won 47 games. And guess how many games Bogut played in that 47-win season? Answer: 32. So no, Bogut had next to nothing to do with the Warriors success that season or thereafter. It was smart drafting of players like Curry, Thompson and Green and their patience as they developed them and stuck with Curry in spite of his ankle problems.
Also drafting Harrison Barnes, Ezeli and adding a solid vets Like Carl Landry and Jarrett Jack certainly didn't hurt things either. Ironically Bogut played the same amount of games as Ellis played the previous year. What we now know is that in a number of ways it was an addition by subtraction and Jerry west is a freaking genius.
Lip you alluded to what was a bigtime factor in the jump to 47 wins and that's health. The previous year Klay was the high guy in games played with 66. The 47 win season they had 8 guys that played 78 games or more including 3 rookies. Their 4th rookie on that team was Kent Bazemore. Unbelievable rookie class they had and the crazy thing is only one of those guys is left. Man they screwed that up right? :) jk Regardless they added some pretty nice talent to that team both with young guys and vets.