monsterpile wrote:Here is what is scary about the Cavs. Last year without Love and Kyrie they stole a game from the Warriors in the finals. Who did they lose from that team?
Marion
mike Miller
Kendrick Perkins
Brandon Hayward
Who did they replace those guys with?
Mo Williams
Channing Frye
Richard Jefferson
Dauhtey Jones
3 of those guys are likely clear upgrades over the players they had last year especially Frye and Jefferson and Jones might be an upgrade over whatever Perkins was doing on the court.
Mosgov isn't the same player he was last year that's about the only downer but they have Kyrie and Love healthy. It's a pretty deep team and the only guy that really plays that can't hit a 3 is TT and his job is to get those offensive rebounds. It's gonna be interesting to see this team go again a real defense when they hit the finals but it's a talented team no doubt.
It will be interesting because I had this debate last year a lot are the cavs set up better against the Warriors without kyrie and love. I understand that individual talent Irving and love are better but I think blatt had the prefect strategy last year on playing the slow grind it out iso ball with the best player in the world. Now can they do that when Irving and line need there shots and are better in the open floor and instead of delly, defending curry they have a negative defender in Irving in there. Just should be interesting and why I love basketball that you can replace 2 all stars with 2 average role players and I can make the argument that they are better without the all stars
Mikkeman wrote:Whole Blazer team is like Warriors lite. They have starting back court with amazing shooting ability, pair of big but still mobile forwards and center with nice rebounding and passing ability. Biggest difference is that McCollum is not same class defender than Thompson is and Warriors defense also in other positions is step above Blazers.
But I wouldn't be shocked if Blazers would beat Warriors without Curry in seven game series.
That'd be wonderful. The patchwork blazers beating out the curry-less juggernauts. Maybe the should've focused more on the playoffs than record chasing? Remains to be seen, I know.
monsterpile wrote:Here is what is scary about the Cavs. Last year without Love and Kyrie they stole a game from the Warriors in the finals. Who did they lose from that team?
Marion
mike Miller
Kendrick Perkins
Brandon Hayward
Who did they replace those guys with?
Mo Williams
Channing Frye
Richard Jefferson
Dauhtey Jones
3 of those guys are likely clear upgrades over the players they had last year especially Frye and Jefferson and Jones might be an upgrade over whatever Perkins was doing on the court.
Mosgov isn't the same player he was last year that's about the only downer but they have Kyrie and Love healthy. It's a pretty deep team and the only guy that really plays that can't hit a 3 is TT and his job is to get those offensive rebounds. It's gonna be interesting to see this team go again a real defense when they hit the finals but it's a talented team no doubt.
It will be interesting because I had this debate last year a lot are the cavs set up better against the Warriors without kyrie and love. I understand that individual talent Irving and love are better but I think blatt had the prefect strategy last year on playing the slow grind it out iso ball with the best player in the world. Now can they do that when Irving and line need there shots and are better in the open floor and instead of delly, defending curry they have a negative defender in Irving in there. Just should be interesting and why I love basketball that you can replace 2 all stars with 2 average role players and I can make the argument that they are better without the all stars
Yes, curry being guarded by Irving will make his life easier offensively compared to last year, but he will have to expend much more energy on the defensive end guarding Irving vs delly. I dont think this is ideal when coming back from his injury. Also more of a risk to get into foul trouble.
I was the other one who picked the Cavs. The played the warriors pretty tough last year and they are bringing 5-6 upgrades to their roster this year. Assuming they stay healthy through the finals.
monsterpile wrote:Here is what is scary about the Cavs. Last year without Love and Kyrie they stole a game from the Warriors in the finals. Who did they lose from that team?
Marion
mike Miller
Kendrick Perkins
Brandon Hayward
Who did they replace those guys with?
Mo Williams
Channing Frye
Richard Jefferson
Dauhtey Jones
3 of those guys are likely clear upgrades over the players they had last year especially Frye and Jefferson and Jones might be an upgrade over whatever Perkins was doing on the court.
Mosgov isn't the same player he was last year that's about the only downer but they have Kyrie and Love healthy. It's a pretty deep team and the only guy that really plays that can't hit a 3 is TT and his job is to get those offensive rebounds. It's gonna be interesting to see this team go again a real defense when they hit the finals but it's a talented team no doubt.
It will be interesting because I had this debate last year a lot are the cavs set up better against the Warriors without kyrie and love. I understand that individual talent Irving and love are better but I think blatt had the prefect strategy last year on playing the slow grind it out iso ball with the best player in the world. Now can they do that when Irving and line need there shots and are better in the open floor and instead of delly, defending curry they have a negative defender in Irving in there. Just should be interesting and why I love basketball that you can replace 2 all stars with 2 average role players and I can make the argument that they are better without the all stars
Yes, curry being guarded by Irving will make his life easier offensively compared to last year, but he will have to expend much more energy on the defensive end guarding Irving vs delly. I dont think this is ideal when coming back from his injury. Also more of a risk to get into foul trouble.
I was the other one who picked the Cavs. The played the warriors pretty tough last year and they are bringing 5-6 upgrades to their roster this year. Assuming they stay healthy through the finals.
The difference this year for the Cavs is they have more volume 3 point shooting than last year. They are built to go small of they want to. They have Love and TT they can use to go small and like I said before we really haven't seen what Love will be in the playoffs. Last year t was obvious the Vacs had to slow it down against GS. The Cavs were the lesser talented team. Also remember that GS's plan was to make Lebron beat them for the first few games so that led to ISO ball.
If it's a rematch this year it's gonna be interesting but it's gonna be a more interesting and fair fight with a different look from the Cavs if both teams are basically healthy.
Mikkeman wrote:Whole Blazer team is like Warriors lite. They have starting back court with amazing shooting ability, pair of big but still mobile forwards and center with nice rebounding and passing ability. Biggest difference is that McCollum is not same class defender than Thompson is and Warriors defense also in other positions is step above Blazers.
But I wouldn't be shocked if Blazers would beat Warriors without Curry in seven game series.
Yeah there are some interesting parallels. Henderson off the bench brings some of what Iggy does but isn't as good but that's no knock against Henderson. I'll say this Aminu is outplaying Barnes (Aminu still has a bigger role than Barnes but still) and the gap between these players certainly isn't going to be as big as the contracts they have after someone pays Barnes this summer.
The bottom line for me is that Blazers are talented and more legit than they probably get credit for although obviously they have had some good fortune I the playoffs. It's really not that shocking to me that a hot shooting Blazers team got a win over the Curry-less Warriors in their home building.
Whiteside data to day with a sprained MCL and Jonas ruled out for the series with a sprained ankle. That's interesting. Not sure which team losing these big guys hurts or benefits more.
Mikkeman wrote:Whole Blazer team is like Warriors lite. They have starting back court with amazing shooting ability, pair of big but still mobile forwards and center with nice rebounding and passing ability. Biggest difference is that McCollum is not same class defender than Thompson is and Warriors defense also in other positions is step above Blazers.
But I wouldn't be shocked if Blazers would beat Warriors without Curry in seven game series.
Yeah there are some interesting parallels. Henderson off the bench brings some of what Iggy does but isn't as good but that's no knock against Henderson. I'll say this Aminu is outplaying Barnes (Aminu still has a bigger role than Barnes but still) and the gap between these players certainly isn't going to be as big as the contracts they have after someone pays Barnes this summer.
The bottom line for me is that Blazers are talented and more legit than they probably get credit for although obviously they have had some good fortune I the playoffs. It's really not that shocking to me that a hot shooting Blazers team got a win over the Curry-less Warriors in their home building.
What is this season's playoffs going to do for Barnes this summer?
He was considered a borderline max guy for what he could be with a bigger role... potentially. Well, his team is without its best player and he hasn't exactly stepped up in the absence. Is he basically just a younger version of Marvin Williams? Not that it's necessarily a bad thing... just something that's not worth $20+M.
What is this season's playoffs going to do for Barnes this summer?
He was considered a borderline max guy for what he could be with a bigger role... potentially. Well, his team is without its best player and he hasn't exactly stepped up in the absence. Is he basically just a younger version of Marvin Williams? Not that it's necessarily a bad thing... just something that's not worth $20+M.
Ah, the NBA. Seems these days that all a player needs to do is average 12 points and 5-6 rebounds and he is in the conversation for a Max contract. Pathetic. Even with the cap going up, I am still a big proponent of paying your top 4 guys, and then getting older vets at lighter contracts. Dudes like Barnes are NEVER worth the money. I actually like Barnes, but he simply can't live up to the contracts being bandied around. Not saying he won't get it....just that I think it would be a mistake to be the team to do it.
