Rubiooooooo wrote:Rubio, NB, and a second sure, but I don't want to trade LaVine. He shows too much promise. His combination of athleticism, dribbling, and shooting stroke is rare. If he progresses on what he was playing like at the end of the year then he has a chance to be a star. He's only 20 years old and shown determination to get better and an unwavering confidence. I'm not trading him for anything that isn't a proven NBA stud. Wiggins, LaVine, and Muhammed are my untouchables right now. I see my futureSG, sf, and 6th man spark plug in those 3 right now. Can't give them up.
I don't want to trade LaVine either. I would trade the entire roster outside of Wiggins, LaVine, and Muhammed to move back up.
Hate to beat a dead horse, but this is where you still had the Heat pick and the pick you traded for Payne to use as chips to move up. That's why obtaining assets when rebuilding and not trading them for marginal players is key.
I agree except that I'd be willing to trade Shabazz to move up -- depending on how far up and who we could get by moving up. Like you, I would not trade LaVine. But I wouldn't trade Ricky either. He's an proven elite playmaker and defender at the NBA level. He's the sort of player who will prove on-court leadership and make the game easier for our younger guys. Honestly, with Wiggins, LaVine, Shabazz, Dieng and the top pick in this year's draft (to get Towns or Okafor) we're not desperate to get more young talent. That means we don't need to take risks or get cute in this year's draft.
I'm all for getting another lottery pick if we can this year, but if we can't do it with Bjelica, #31, 36, and Martin and Budinger, then I wouldn't do it.
Rubiooooooo wrote:Rubio, NB, and a second sure, but I don't want to trade LaVine. He shows too much promise. His combination of athleticism, dribbling, and shooting stroke is rare. If he progresses on what he was playing like at the end of the year then he has a chance to be a star. He's only 20 years old and shown determination to get better and an unwavering confidence. I'm not trading him for anything that isn't a proven NBA stud. Wiggins, LaVine, and Muhammed are my untouchables right now. I see my futureSG, sf, and 6th man spark plug in those 3 right now. Can't give them up.
I don't want to trade LaVine either. I would trade the entire roster outside of Wiggins, LaVine, and Muhammed to move back up.
Hate to beat a dead horse, but this is where you still had the Heat pick and the pick you traded for Payne to use as chips to move up. That's why obtaining assets when rebuilding and not trading them for marginal players is key.
I agree except that I'd be willing to trade Shabazz to move up -- depending on how far up and who we could get by moving up. Like you, I would not trade LaVine. But I wouldn't trade Ricky either. He's an proven elite playmaker and defender at the NBA level. He's the sort of player who will prove on-court leadership and make the game easier for our younger guys. Honestly, with Wiggins, LaVine, Shabazz, Dieng and the top pick in this year's draft (to get Towns or Okafor) we're not desperate to get more young talent. That means we don't need to take risks or get cute in this year's draft.
I'm all for getting another lottery pick if we can this year, but if we can't do it with Bjelica, #31, 36, and Martin and Budinger, then I wouldn't do it.
I think the only team that goes for that package you lay out is Miami. Is there a guy at 10 you really like?
The Hornets at 9 may be tempted too. I don't see a team like Detroit, Denver, going for an older, but good player in Martin. If the Knicks or Lakers trade out it will be for a young superstar, not an older role player. Martin fits great as a 6th man for the Heat and the Hornets need scoring in the worst way, Martin would fill that need too.
Rubiooooooo wrote:Rubio, NB, and a second sure, but I don't want to trade LaVine. He shows too much promise. His combination of athleticism, dribbling, and shooting stroke is rare. If he progresses on what he was playing like at the end of the year then he has a chance to be a star. He's only 20 years old and shown determination to get better and an unwavering confidence. I'm not trading him for anything that isn't a proven NBA stud. Wiggins, LaVine, and Muhammed are my untouchables right now. I see my futureSG, sf, and 6th man spark plug in those 3 right now. Can't give them up.
I don't want to trade LaVine either. I would trade the entire roster outside of Wiggins, LaVine, and Muhammed to move back up.
Hate to beat a dead horse, but this is where you still had the Heat pick and the pick you traded for Payne to use as chips to move up. That's why obtaining assets when rebuilding and not trading them for marginal players is key.
I agree except that I'd be willing to trade Shabazz to move up -- depending on how far up and who we could get by moving up. Like you, I would not trade LaVine. But I wouldn't trade Ricky either. He's an proven elite playmaker and defender at the NBA level. He's the sort of player who will prove on-court leadership and make the game easier for our younger guys. Honestly, with Wiggins, LaVine, Shabazz, Dieng and the top pick in this year's draft (to get Towns or Okafor) we're not desperate to get more young talent. That means we don't need to take risks or get cute in this year's draft.
I'm all for getting another lottery pick if we can this year, but if we can't do it with Bjelica, #31, 36, and Martin and Budinger, then I wouldn't do it.
lipoli390 wrote:
TRKO wrote:
Rubiooooooo wrote:Rubio, NB, and a second sure, but I don't want to trade LaVine. He shows too much promise. His combination of athleticism, dribbling, and shooting stroke is rare. If he progresses on what he was playing like at the end of the year then he has a chance to be a star. He's only 20 years old and shown determination to get better and an unwavering confidence. I'm not trading him for anything that isn't a proven NBA stud. Wiggins, LaVine, and Muhammed are my untouchables right now. I see my futureSG, sf, and 6th man spark plug in those 3 right now. Can't give them up.
I don't want to trade LaVine either. I would trade the entire roster outside of Wiggins, LaVine, and Muhammed to move back up.
Hate to beat a dead horse, but this is where you still had the Heat pick and the pick you traded for Payne to use as chips to move up. That's why obtaining assets when rebuilding and not trading them for marginal players is key.
I agree except that I'd be willing to trade Shabazz to move up -- depending on how far up and who we could get by moving up. Like you, I would not trade LaVine. But I wouldn't trade Ricky either. He's an proven elite playmaker and defender at the NBA level. He's the sort of player who will prove on-court leadership and make the game easier for our younger guys. Honestly, with Wiggins, LaVine, Shabazz, Dieng and the top pick in this year's draft (to get Towns or Okafor) we're not desperate to get more young talent. That means we don't need to take risks or get cute in this year's draft.
I'm all for getting another lottery pick if we can this year, but if we can't do it with Bjelica, #31, 36, and Martin and Budinger, then I wouldn't do it.
lipoli390 wrote:
TRKO wrote:
Rubiooooooo wrote:Rubio, NB, and a second sure, but I don't want to trade LaVine. He shows too much promise. His combination of athleticism, dribbling, and shooting stroke is rare. If he progresses on what he was playing like at the end of the year then he has a chance to be a star. He's only 20 years old and shown determination to get better and an unwavering confidence. I'm not trading him for anything that isn't a proven NBA stud. Wiggins, LaVine, and Muhammed are my untouchables right now. I see my futureSG, sf, and 6th man spark plug in those 3 right now. Can't give them up.
I don't want to trade LaVine either. I would trade the entire roster outside of Wiggins, LaVine, and Muhammed to move back up.
Hate to beat a dead horse, but this is where you still had the Heat pick and the pick you traded for Payne to use as chips to move up. That's why obtaining assets when rebuilding and not trading them for marginal players is key.
I agree except that I'd be willing to trade Shabazz to move up -- depending on how far up and who we could get by moving up. Like you, I would not trade LaVine. But I wouldn't trade Ricky either. He's an proven elite playmaker and defender at the NBA level. He's the sort of player who will prove on-court leadership and make the game easier for our younger guys. Honestly, with Wiggins, LaVine, Shabazz, Dieng and the top pick in this year's draft (to get Towns or Okafor) we're not desperate to get more young talent. That means we don't need to take risks or get cute in this year's draft.
I'm all for getting another lottery pick if we can this year, but if we can't do it with Bjelica, #31, 36, and Martin and Budinger, then I wouldn't do it.
I'd lean towards that thinking as well lip/cool. What I am curious about though Cool is why you believe Towns is the safest pick when in reality he has the most questions and possibilities surrounding him? Russell and Okafor were showcased, positives and negatives both highlighted. The same cant be said for Towns. I'd argue he is the riskiest pick of the 3.
TheFuture wrote:I'd lean towards that thinking as well lip/cool. What I am curious about though Cool is why you believe Towns is the safest pick when in reality he has the most questions and possibilities surrounding him? Russell and Okafor were showcased, positives and negatives both highlighted. The same cant be said for Towns. I'd argue he is the riskiest pick of the 3.
When I say safe, I mean Towns is almost guaranteed to be a good player. I don't think his upside is as high as some others, but his floor is really high IMO. He has the athleticism, attitude, work ethic, and skill set to almost insure he is an all star someday. I think both Russell and Okafor at least have a chance to be ordinary NBA players. Okafor primarily because of how much weight he is carrying on those knees.
I was thinking about this "wouldn't trade" this guy or that guy to move up... I really would prefer not give up Shabazz at this point, because I think he adds value to this team (didn't think I'd be saying that 1-2 years ago!)....
....but I also think this team needs to sell out to get as much high end talent as possible and then build around that...and if that means getting a bit less value in a trade but nets us a really high end young starting 5, I probably pull the trigger, fill in the key backups, shorten the bench, and go with it.
TheFuture wrote:I'd lean towards that thinking as well lip/cool. What I am curious about though Cool is why you believe Towns is the safest pick when in reality he has the most questions and possibilities surrounding him? Russell and Okafor were showcased, positives and negatives both highlighted. The same cant be said for Towns. I'd argue he is the riskiest pick of the 3.
When I say safe, I mean Towns is almost guaranteed to be a good player. I don't think his upside is as high as some others, but his floor is really high IMO. He has the athleticism, attitude, work ethic, and skill set to almost insure he is an all star someday. I think both Russell and Okafor at least have a chance to be ordinary NBA players. Okafor primarily because of how much weight he is carrying on those knees.
I think what makes Towns safe is he has a diverse skillset and the biggest thing is he projects to be a good defensive player and combined with that you can keep him on the floor late because he shoots FTs like a guard. Okafor and Russell the biggest questions on them is defense. You take that away damn people would be falling over themselves to get them.
TheFuture wrote:I'd lean towards that thinking as well lip/cool. What I am curious about though Cool is why you believe Towns is the safest pick when in reality he has the most questions and possibilities surrounding him? Russell and Okafor were showcased, positives and negatives both highlighted. The same cant be said for Towns. I'd argue he is the riskiest pick of the 3.
I agree. I think he is the riskiest of the 3. He basically was a role player on a team of role players. I don't see him ever being the best player on your team. He has a chance to be a great support player.
I know Miami wants to win now but #10 they could get a talented young player to build with. It's always interesting to see what teams chase of production that more immediate compared to the hope of potential.
I'd give up Martin, Pek and any bench player outside of Lavine (who I think should start) for any guy who can be a starter. You can always find bench players through free agency or trade. It is much harder to land starters using those same means for the Timberwolves.
