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Hicks123 wrote:While Monroe was forced into playing center a couple years ago, this last season he started at PF 81 games, with Drummond at C those 81 games. His game, IMO, is clearly that of a PF in that he is not the rugged defender you look for at Center. I would love to add Monroe next season as our long-term answer at PF. He is a very skilled player that rebounds well, passes well and can score in the post and mid-range very well. Seems a solid fit with either Pek or Dieng playing center.


Luke Ridnour played SG for us a couple seasons ago; didn't mean he was a SG, though. My point is that Monroe was playing out of position due to the other pieces on the team (Drummond). On offense, his game is versatile enough to play either. On defense, you do NOT want him guarding PFs, especially ones that play on the perimeter.
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I think Monroe is a C/PF or PF/C to get the most out of him you should play him at both position not just 1. Duncan is the highest level player of this but other guys that are combo guy that benefit by playing both positions are Pau and Al Jefferson. Noah and Horford are guys that probably should play some of both but haven't been able to because they don't have players next to them to allow it. Some of those guys shouldn't play C partly because of the pounding they take there and some like Monroe and Al have defensive deficiences at both positions. They need help covering that up and playing both positions can help.

I wonder how Flip has Bojan Dubljevic fitting into his plan. He has some physical issues that may hold him back but he has put up some very good numbers 2 years in a row and has no problem hitting 3's and that was even with a shoulder issue last year. I'll be interested to see how he does this year. If he comes over its gonna take a decent chunk of money to sign him.
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I'm a big Bojan Dubljevi? guy. I have to think Flip's high on him as well. Will likely be our backup PF next year and see what his long term potential is.
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Camden0916 wrote:I'm a big Bojan Dubljevi? guy. I have to think Flip's high on him as well. Will likely be our backup PF next year and see what his long term potential is.


I asked about Thad at SF because what if Bojan Dubljevic ends up being the starter at PF at some point could Thad be the SF next to him for stretches? I know Wiggins is the SF of the near future but I'm intruiged by Thad being able to move around and maybe they sign him to a reasonable deal after this year to be a starter that becomes a rotation guy.
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Camden wrote:
Hicks123 wrote:While Monroe was forced into playing center a couple years ago, this last season he started at PF 81 games, with Drummond at C those 81 games. His game, IMO, is clearly that of a PF in that he is not the rugged defender you look for at Center. I would love to add Monroe next season as our long-term answer at PF. He is a very skilled player that rebounds well, passes well and can score in the post and mid-range very well. Seems a solid fit with either Pek or Dieng playing center.


Luke Ridnour played SG for us a couple seasons ago; didn't mean he was a SG, though. My point is that Monroe was playing out of position due to the other pieces on the team (Drummond). On offense, his game is versatile enough to play either. On defense, you do NOT want him guarding PFs, especially ones that play on the perimeter.


Cam, please read this article, which is written by some Detriot folks that seem to actually understand Monroe's game. Pay special attention to bold section.

n a conversation with Vincent Goodwill, Greg Monroe commented on the transition he's undergoing to spend more time at power forward next to Andre Drummond. The new role will require new habits-- instead of shifting to the basket on defensive rotations, Monroe will often need to slide toward the perimeter against forwards with range. Is this a role Monroe is suited to handle, and how is he handling this transition to date?

Since entering the league, Greg Monroe has presented a defensive liability against stronger players who can muscle around him in the post. He's never been much of a shot blocker, and his post defense has left plenty to be desired. He appears to take a heady approach to his defensive responsibilities, relying on a keen awareness of opponent play-making to be one of the league's premier pick-and-roll defenders. However, in the post, he struggles to be the last option against isolation plays and post-ups from opposing centers.

At power forward, Monroe will no longer be that last option. He'll be paired with a large-bodied shot-blocking force who can compliment him should a cutting guard find an open lane to the basket. At 6'11", 250 pounds himself, he'll have a size advantage against nearly every power forward he's matched up against. When it comes to handling the biggest guy on the court, that role will fall to Detroit's biggest guy on the court-- Monroe will instead bring an advantage into nearly every match-up he faces.

The question Monroe answered when commenting on his role defending power forwards isn't about size, however:

"It's definitely a difference on defense, especially for teams who might play small with a stretch-four," Monroe said."

How will Greg Monroe handle the shift to defending power forwards with extended range? If the numbers are any indication, he'll not only handle it well, he'll excel. According to Synergy Sports, Monroe is ranked 17th in the league (regardless of position) in defending spot-up perimeter shots including long twos and three-point attempts. Synergy has tracked 87 spot-up attempts against Monroe this season, and he's allowed 31.1% inside the three point line and 26.9% beyond. These marks are better than a "who's who" of defensively-acclaimed big men, making him a virtual stopper when the opposing team employs a stretch shooting big man.

Greg's perimeter defense and his career-long knack for pick-and-roll defense make him well-suited to defending power forwards. Given that he'll no longer be guarding the biggest opposing player, many of the defensive liabilities he faced at center will be neutralized at power forward. Add to this that a player that makes it past Monroe on a drive to the basket will often find one more defender waiting in the paint-- and things bode even better for Detroit's frontcourt defense.

The question that remains will be how Greg Monroe handles offensively-gifted forwards who use speed to break down their competition. If a player isn't shooting from the perimeter and he's not using size to muscle into the paint, there's not much data to show how Monroe will handle this responsibility. It's not going to be an infrequent adjustment-- as Monroe will be faced with defending Lebron James in a small-ball Heat match-up, for example. There's also a question of energetic forwards like Kenneth Faried and Blake Griffin. These will be tough match-ups for any player, but Greg has shown enough improvement and promise that he shouldn't be much of a liability in those tough match-ups.
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I've already read that article before, maybe you've posted it on here in the past, but my eyes tell me perimeter defense is a struggle for him. But hey, if the numbers say he's fine then he's fine.
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Hey Cam, to each his own....I have no issue with that. I haven't posted previously...just read this morning. I am just curious how many full Detroit Pistons games you caught last season. That is an honest question. Also, not sure how statistics in this case can lie. The FACTS are pretty straight forward. In the situations last season where Monroe guarded a PF on the perimeter, he was not only good, but an ELITE defender in that space. This isn't an "eye test" thing, as the facts are actually very clear. Help me understand how that can be subjective? Not picking a fight here, but rather looking for some understanding.

Monroe has always been a very smart player, going back to his days in college. Solid skilled big who makes smart decisions. If he truly can be a plus defender as a PF, every other facet of his game corresponds with the position. I mention because he will be a UFA next season, and the Wolves very well may be looking for their future at PF. He would certainly fit in well as a very young, yet experienced, player to pair with our younger guys. Seems he may actually be ideal for this team.
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Wolfson tweeted this afternoon that all charges against Dante have been dropped. He continues to say Dante really wants to come back but no contact from the Wolves. Its not like they have room for a backup PF right now.
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monsterpile wrote:Wolfson tweeted this afternoon that all charges against Dante have been dropped. He continues to say Dante really wants to come back but no contact from the Wolves. Its not like they have room for a backup PF right now.


I don't think we need to add another PF who can't defend his position. That will make two guys that will be undersized and can't hold their spot down low. Dante is also an inefficient offensive player so I see no reason to add him after signing Hummel. Neither guy should be anymore than a third string PF on any decent team.

Too many people get overly excited because he occasionally has a putback or help defensive block, but never realize that is the total of his defensive capabilities. I would have been fine with him in place of Hummel, except for the fact that he choked out his gf (regardless of whether he was indicted on it). I would love to hear how he got out of the texting threats.
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Bring back Beasley!!!!!!!!
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