The Love-Wiggins Deal Thread

[Camden [enjin:6601484]]

I'd like to think Flip agrees with my concerns about Bennett, and is looking for a third team to flip him to. I could definitely see Philly being interested in him for Thad Young. We're about to have a ton of young players on the roster and his veteran presence (while being 26) would be really good for the Wolves.

Barea (expiring, plus they need a backup PG) + Bennett to Philly for Young.

[khans2k5 [enjin:6608728]]

Lip- Is there a reason GR3 is in every single one of your trade scenarios? He doesn't have any contractual value and I don't see why we should be giving up any young assets when this trade clearly blows up our ability to contend for a playoff spot. I get it shouldn't matter either way if he is in the deal or not, but when you rebuild a team I think you shouldn't be giving away any young prospects. When it comes to young guys, quantity is key because it's the theory of throwing more shit at the wall and seeing what sticks. He should be a neutral piece which I would think Flip could talk down the Cavs from needing him. Just give them second round picks if they need youth because GR3 was a first round talent in my opinion, so any second round pick to them is going to be less valuable in my eyes.

Directed to the board- Isn't Martin an ideal fit between Ricky and Wiggins? Most teams don't have 3 perimeter guys you have to defend. If the Warriors can hide Steph, I would think we could hide Martin and he is a guaranteed quality shooter regardless if he can't get to the rim the same anymore. I think Brewer gets thrown into the deal because they could use some defensive help and Brewer can play the 2 next to Lebron and Kyrie. I think the final deal ends up being Love and Brewer for Wiggins, Bennett, Thompson and 2 first round picks.

[TeamRicky [enjin:6648771]]

Hey Lip I'm wondering why you are so eager to dump GR3 into all your trade scenarios, I know at least 3 of us (Camden, Khan and myself) value GR3 like a young first rounder with good upside, unselfish team player and great intangibles and a great contract to boot. Why give that up? Cleveland can keep all their first rounders for all I care, if we keep GR3 and they can keep their malcontent Waiters who I believe would be a terrible fit on a young team.

[TeamRicky [enjin:6648771]]

I certainly wouldn't give up GR3 for Waiters and probably not Bennett either. I'd only give up GR3 if thats the only way Cleveland trades Wiggins. I'd have no problem throwing in Shabbazz, but Lip you seem convinced, Flip won't do that. Well, if Cleveland needs a wing from us Budinger, Hummel or Martin wouldn't be greatly missed and in Martin's case he probably adds too much salary to be made part of the deal. After GR3, I'd next prefer to hold onto Brewer, but I wouldn't be too upset if he's traded.

Let's not make the mistake other fan bases do with overvaluing our players. I'd give up GR, GR2, and GR3 for Waiters. Probably GR2 and GR3 for Bennett

LOL. You got it all wrong!

Here's what it comes down to: Do you want the inefficient scorer and weak defender who doesn't get along with other players on a 4 million contract or do you want the guy who shoots efficiently, plays defense is an unselfish player and will be paid less than 2 million and to boot he has a great pedigree. GR3 > Waiters EVERY TIME

[m4gor [enjin:6667447]]

Hi guys,

1. East is wide open, Pacers has fumbled since February and Lance is gone, Heat lost Lebron and teams like Wizz/Hornets etc. have a long way to go
2. From what we saw, Bulls are sure that Rose will be back healthy and productive, with Pau addition and Mirotic signing and McBuckets looking like he will give them offense from wing which they need, they look superstrong, BUT, if Cavs trade for Love, they might beat them anyway
3. Cavs have a lot of young talent but these raw guys need to grow and Lebron will be 30yo, well if they trade for Love they can become real threat, BUT if they dont trade for him and Bulls get him instead they are screwed for real as they wont beat the Bulls team for the rest of Lebron's prime

Conclusion: I think that at the end we will trade with Bulls, they have so many good players/assets that they will just make better package especially when we consider that we havent made playoffs for freakin 11 years and full rebuild with Wiggins could be too much painful for everybody

[TheGrey08]

1. Wiggins, Thompson, Bennett and two future first round picks (including the Miami pick) for Love, GRIII and Corey Brewer. (This would be my preferred deal. I also think this is pretty close to the the deal that will actually happen. As I've said before, keeping Thompson makes little sense for Cleveland or Thompson. Further, Thompson would fill the Wolves void at PF).

Long post so truncated the quote. This is roughly the scenario I want to see if it's a 2 team scenario where the Cavs don't bring in more expirings, except not including GR3. We'd just be trading a 1st round talent for a future first. Give the Cavs a 2nd rounder in 2016 instead and Glen can buyout Shved in order to keep GR3 if that's what needs to happen.

Personally I'd think they could find a team to take Shved for cheap if not the Cavs. If the Cavs can flip Haywood/Felix/Bellavedova for a little more salary they could do:

Love/Brewer/Shved/2nd for Wiggins/Thompson/Bennett/1sts/expiring filler

[TheGrey08]

I'd like to think Flip agrees with my concerns about Bennett, and is looking for a third team to flip him to. I could definitely see Philly being interested in him for Thad Young. We're about to have a ton of young players on the roster and his veteran presence (while being 26) would be really good for the Wolves.

Barea (expiring, plus they need a backup PG) + Bennett to Philly for Young.

I'd rather have Bennett b/c the Wolves can test him out this year and then decline his 3rd/4th years if they don't like him or trade him as an instant expiring next summer (which could be big). Plus the Wolves need to unload players/salary, not have some of Cleveland's assets go to another team.

If the Wolves were to get Young then there's no need for Thompson from the Cavs. If anything maybe LRMAM + Shved for Young. Although that increases Wolves salary by about 1.8m. That would leave Young/Bennett as PFs for this year.

I guess the question is, given salary/age/skill who would make more sense, Young or Thompson?

[northernhoops [enjin:9491634]]

I'd like to think Flip agrees with my concerns about Bennett, and is looking for a third team to flip him to. I could definitely see Philly being interested in him for Thad Young. We're about to have a ton of young players on the roster and his veteran presence (while being 26) would be really good for the Wolves.

Barea (expiring, plus they need a backup PG) + Bennett to Philly for Young.

I'd rather have Bennett b/c the Wolves can test him out this year and then decline his 3rd/4th years if they don't like him or trade him as an instant expiring next summer (which could be big). Plus the Wolves need to unload players/salary, not have some of Cleveland's assets go to another team.

If the Wolves were to get Young then there's no need for Thompson from the Cavs. If anything maybe LRMAM + Shved for Young. Although that increases Wolves salary by about 1.8m. That would leave Young/Bennett as PFs for this year.

I guess the question is, given salary/age/skill who would make more sense, Young or Thompson?

Young will opt out of his contract next summer anyway...
So you're looking at Young or Thompson...
Young is a better fit with Dieng, while Thompson is a better fit with Pek.
Young is better offensively and Thompson is better defensively
In the end, I'd like to get Young, we're going to need offense in the coming years.

[northernhoops [enjin:9491634]]

The idea of Flip wanting expirings, makes me think we're tanking this year, and hope to get a good pick and have cap room

[TAFKASP]

Hi guys,

1. East is wide open, Pacers has fumbled since February and Lance is gone, Heat lost Lebron and teams like Wizz/Hornets etc. have a long way to go
2. From what we saw, Bulls are sure that Rose will be back healthy and productive, with Pau addition and Mirotic signing and McBuckets looking like he will give them offense from wing which they need, they look superstrong, BUT, if Cavs trade for Love, they might beat them anyway
3. Cavs have a lot of young talent but these raw guys need to grow and Lebron will be 30yo, well if they trade for Love they can become real threat, BUT if they dont trade for him and Bulls get him instead they are screwed for real as they wont beat the Bulls team for the rest of Lebron's prime

Conclusion: I think that at the end we will trade with Bulls, they have so many good players/assets that they will just make better package especially when we consider that we havent made playoffs for freakin 11 years and full rebuild with Wiggins could be too much painful for everybody

The players the Wolves would get from the Bulls are mostly win now players and the Wolves will be in no position to do so. The final deal will bring Wiggins and a couple other young players and a couple draft picks all setting the Wolves up for the future, not this year. If the what the Bulls are offering is what Flip wanted the trade would have happened pre-draft.