Ideal Kevin Love Trades

[Camden [enjin:6601484]]

I'm going to go with the GS trade similar to Cams (and others). I'd trade Love and Bud, maybe throw JJ in as well but he's not a deal breaker, for Thompson, Lee, Barnes, and a 2015 first round pick. Barnes still has a little potential but more importantly he'd bring some versatility to the SF position. I'd also rather have a 2015 first, 2019 is just too far away to be worth much when we need to worry about keeping guys like Rubio and Thompson in this scenario.

Any talk of GS not trading Thompson is just to keep his value high, the same way Taylor and others are saying we won't trade Love. In the end Love is the far superior player so GS would be foolish not to include Thompson.

Golden State can't trade a first rounder until 2019, thus I picked that one. Utah owns Golden State 1st rounders in 2015 and 2017. Barnes doesn't really do anything for me. I guess I'd ask for him to be in the deal, but if they said no I wouldn't put up much fight. I'd rather Shabazz get minutes, honestly, as I see him having a higher ceiling. Thompson, Lee and 2019 1st is good value with them taking back a couple bad contracts.

Agreed about the Thompson talk. No way he isn't involved in the trade, if there even is one.

Actually I believe GS traded picks in 2014 and 2017 so we could trade for their 2015 pick. As far as Barnes I could see him being an off the bench version of Kawhi Leonard. He has abilities no one on our team has so I think it would be foolish not to go after him as part of the deal.

Even if it is 2014 that they traded away, we still couldn't get 2015 because you can't trade picks away for consecutive years.

Not true (but maybe you know more about it than I do, I don't dig that deep into rules like this), they can trade their 2015 pick after the draft. As far as I know once a draft is over that year is done with, meaning that their only obligation is a 2017 pick. Consecutive years for that obligation would be 2016 or 2018 which means we could get their 2015 pick. If I'm understanding the rules correctly a team could theoretically trade away a first round pick every year as long as they don't trade one more than a year in the future.

The discussion is trading Kevin Love right now or before the trade deadline. You're talking about trading the pick after the 2015 draft when we won't have Love anymore, or he's already re-signed with us. Either way it doesn't make sense.

[The Rage Monster [enjin:8010341]]

I'm going to go with the GS trade similar to Cams (and others). I'd trade Love and Bud, maybe throw JJ in as well but he's not a deal breaker, for Thompson, Lee, Barnes, and a 2015 first round pick. Barnes still has a little potential but more importantly he'd bring some versatility to the SF position. I'd also rather have a 2015 first, 2019 is just too far away to be worth much when we need to worry about keeping guys like Rubio and Thompson in this scenario.

Any talk of GS not trading Thompson is just to keep his value high, the same way Taylor and others are saying we won't trade Love. In the end Love is the far superior player so GS would be foolish not to include Thompson.

Golden State can't trade a first rounder until 2019, thus I picked that one. Utah owns Golden State 1st rounders in 2015 and 2017. Barnes doesn't really do anything for me. I guess I'd ask for him to be in the deal, but if they said no I wouldn't put up much fight. I'd rather Shabazz get minutes, honestly, as I see him having a higher ceiling. Thompson, Lee and 2019 1st is good value with them taking back a couple bad contracts.

Agreed about the Thompson talk. No way he isn't involved in the trade, if there even is one.

Actually I believe GS traded picks in 2014 and 2017 so we could trade for their 2015 pick. As far as Barnes I could see him being an off the bench version of Kawhi Leonard. He has abilities no one on our team has so I think it would be foolish not to go after him as part of the deal.

Even if it is 2014 that they traded away, we still couldn't get 2015 because you can't trade picks away for consecutive years.

Not true (but maybe you know more about it than I do, I don't dig that deep into rules like this), they can trade their 2015 pick after the draft. As far as I know once a draft is over that year is done with, meaning that their only obligation is a 2017 pick. Consecutive years for that obligation would be 2016 or 2018 which means we could get their 2015 pick. If I'm understanding the rules correctly a team could theoretically trade away a first round pick every year as long as they don't trade one more than a year in the future.

The discussion is trading Kevin Love right now or before the trade deadline. You're talking about trading the pick after the 2015 draft when we won't have Love anymore, or he's already re-signed with us. Either way it doesn't make sense.

I guess that first sentence was unclear. GS can trade their 2015 first round pick after the 2014 draft because that obligation would then be gone. I realize waiting a month isn't right now but it is still this off season and before next seasons trade deadline and it does make sense.

[Camden [enjin:6601484]]

I'm going to go with the GS trade similar to Cams (and others). I'd trade Love and Bud, maybe throw JJ in as well but he's not a deal breaker, for Thompson, Lee, Barnes, and a 2015 first round pick. Barnes still has a little potential but more importantly he'd bring some versatility to the SF position. I'd also rather have a 2015 first, 2019 is just too far away to be worth much when we need to worry about keeping guys like Rubio and Thompson in this scenario.

Any talk of GS not trading Thompson is just to keep his value high, the same way Taylor and others are saying we won't trade Love. In the end Love is the far superior player so GS would be foolish not to include Thompson.

Golden State can't trade a first rounder until 2019, thus I picked that one. Utah owns Golden State 1st rounders in 2015 and 2017. Barnes doesn't really do anything for me. I guess I'd ask for him to be in the deal, but if they said no I wouldn't put up much fight. I'd rather Shabazz get minutes, honestly, as I see him having a higher ceiling. Thompson, Lee and 2019 1st is good value with them taking back a couple bad contracts.

Agreed about the Thompson talk. No way he isn't involved in the trade, if there even is one.

Actually I believe GS traded picks in 2014 and 2017 so we could trade for their 2015 pick. As far as Barnes I could see him being an off the bench version of Kawhi Leonard. He has abilities no one on our team has so I think it would be foolish not to go after him as part of the deal.

Even if it is 2014 that they traded away, we still couldn't get 2015 because you can't trade picks away for consecutive years.

Not true (but maybe you know more about it than I do, I don't dig that deep into rules like this), they can trade their 2015 pick after the draft. As far as I know once a draft is over that year is done with, meaning that their only obligation is a 2017 pick. Consecutive years for that obligation would be 2016 or 2018 which means we could get their 2015 pick. If I'm understanding the rules correctly a team could theoretically trade away a first round pick every year as long as they don't trade one more than a year in the future.

The discussion is trading Kevin Love right now or before the trade deadline. You're talking about trading the pick after the 2015 draft when we won't have Love anymore, or he's already re-signed with us. Either way it doesn't make sense.

I guess that first sentence was unclear. GS can trade their 2015 first round pick after the 2014 draft because that obligation would then be gone. I realize waiting a month isn't right now but it is still this off season and before next seasons trade deadline and it does make sense.

Ahh now I see what you're saying. Trade Love to Golden State after the 2014 draft for a package including a 2015 first rounder.

My next question would be, why would you want to go after that 2015 first rounder anyway? A team with Curry, Love, Bogut, Iguodala should be a top-three or four seed in the West. Bottom 20s. At least in 2019 the makeup of their team could be different.

[khans2k5 [enjin:6608728]]

I we truly are looking to trade Love, I think you do it for as many young assets as possible. I think you do Love to Cleveland for #1, Waiters, Bennett (yes Bennett and not TT) and a future 1st if they get the opt-in commitment from Love. Then you trade Pek to Philly for #10 and whatever piece would make the salaries work. You trade Martin to Chicago for 16 and cap matching filler. You trade Bud to Memphis for Prince's expiring and some 2nd rounders. You take Wiggins at 1, Stauskas at 10, Payne at 13 and Napier at 16 and roll with:

Ricky/Napier (spark plug off the bench who plays really hard on D)
Waiters/Stauskas
Wiggins/Brewer
Bennett/Payne
Dieng/Ronny

I think Bennett flat out got embarrassed last year and the guy I saw play in college looks like a 20-10 stretch 4 in the NBA if he gets in shape. I would much rather have his upside over TT's mediocrity and not even knowing which hand to shoot a basketball with. That team is young, loaded with potential and will be in another lottery or 2 to fill in for whoever doesn't make it which some won't because this is the NBA. This is playing by the numbers and throwing as many pieces of crap at the wall and hoping 1 or several stick to build this team for the future.

[The Rage Monster [enjin:8010341]]

I'm going to go with the GS trade similar to Cams (and others). I'd trade Love and Bud, maybe throw JJ in as well but he's not a deal breaker, for Thompson, Lee, Barnes, and a 2015 first round pick. Barnes still has a little potential but more importantly he'd bring some versatility to the SF position. I'd also rather have a 2015 first, 2019 is just too far away to be worth much when we need to worry about keeping guys like Rubio and Thompson in this scenario.

Any talk of GS not trading Thompson is just to keep his value high, the same way Taylor and others are saying we won't trade Love. In the end Love is the far superior player so GS would be foolish not to include Thompson.

Golden State can't trade a first rounder until 2019, thus I picked that one. Utah owns Golden State 1st rounders in 2015 and 2017. Barnes doesn't really do anything for me. I guess I'd ask for him to be in the deal, but if they said no I wouldn't put up much fight. I'd rather Shabazz get minutes, honestly, as I see him having a higher ceiling. Thompson, Lee and 2019 1st is good value with them taking back a couple bad contracts.

Agreed about the Thompson talk. No way he isn't involved in the trade, if there even is one.

Actually I believe GS traded picks in 2014 and 2017 so we could trade for their 2015 pick. As far as Barnes I could see him being an off the bench version of Kawhi Leonard. He has abilities no one on our team has so I think it would be foolish not to go after him as part of the deal.

Even if it is 2014 that they traded away, we still couldn't get 2015 because you can't trade picks away for consecutive years.

Not true (but maybe you know more about it than I do, I don't dig that deep into rules like this), they can trade their 2015 pick after the draft. As far as I know once a draft is over that year is done with, meaning that their only obligation is a 2017 pick. Consecutive years for that obligation would be 2016 or 2018 which means we could get their 2015 pick. If I'm understanding the rules correctly a team could theoretically trade away a first round pick every year as long as they don't trade one more than a year in the future.

The discussion is trading Kevin Love right now or before the trade deadline. You're talking about trading the pick after the 2015 draft when we won't have Love anymore, or he's already re-signed with us. Either way it doesn't make sense.

I guess that first sentence was unclear. GS can trade their 2015 first round pick after the 2014 draft because that obligation would then be gone. I realize waiting a month isn't right now but it is still this off season and before next seasons trade deadline and it does make sense.

Ahh now I see what you're saying. Trade Love to Golden State after the 2014 draft for a package including a 2015 first rounder.

My next question would be, why would you want to go after that 2015 first rounder anyway? A team with Curry, Love, Bogut, Iguodala should be a top-three or four seed in the West. Bottom 20s. At least in 2019 the makeup of their team could be different.

Mostly health issues. Bogut seems to be injured rather often, Iggy's getting older and missed games, Curry's been pretty durable but has had an ankle issue, and Love has missed time. The trade would also strip them of a lot of their depth so any time one of those 4 misses could be compounded by that. I think the west will be incredibly competitive next year 4-5 of the teams who missed the playoffs being right there, there won't be many free wins next year. I wouldn't say it's a good chance but I would say there's a chance that team ends up in the lottery with 1 or 2 significant injuries. I'd also like to get a pick swap option in 2016 for the same reason. I know it's a gamble but I think it's worth it.

[Papalrep]

then again, if the Wolves hire Joerger, win 50, make a playoff run, then Kevin stays

[worldK]

I we truly are looking to trade Love, I think you do it for as many young assets as possible. I think you do Love to Cleveland for #1, Waiters, Bennett (yes Bennett and not TT) and a future 1st if they get the opt-in commitment from Love. Then you trade Pek to Philly for #10 and whatever piece would make the salaries work. You trade Martin to Chicago for 16 and cap matching filler. You trade Bud to Memphis for Prince's expiring and some 2nd rounders. You take Wiggins at 1, Stauskas at 10, Payne at 13 and Napier at 16 and roll with:

Ricky/Napier (spark plug off the bench who plays really hard on D)
Waiters/Stauskas
Wiggins/Brewer
Bennett/Payne
Dieng/Ronny

I think Bennett flat out got embarrassed last year and the guy I saw play in college looks like a 20-10 stretch 4 in the NBA if he gets in shape. I would much rather have his upside over TT's mediocrity and not even knowing which hand to shoot a basketball with. That team is young, loaded with potential and will be in another lottery or 2 to fill in for whoever doesn't make it which some won't because this is the NBA. This is playing by the numbers and throwing as many pieces of crap at the wall and hoping 1 or several stick to build this team for the future.

Khans, your cavs proposal is probably the one i like the most. I dont want to trade love but if it becomes apparent that he will leave, then your trade with cavs for #1 + bennet and waiters is a deal i would like. I would trade them martin as well and ask for gee's unguranteed deal and another future first.

i dont think bulls or memphis will trade for martin or bud so we dump 1 of them(ideally martin) with love to the cavs and ask for another 1st in return.

If we get dave jeorger as coach, it gives me more confidence that we can have a quicker rebuild if we trade love. I would look to trade pek as well.

How about pek + waiters+the future cavs pick we get(by adding martin to the deal,not the #1 this year) for hayward + kanter? We resign hayward then and he and wiggins will be a nice complimenting wings with rubio running the point.

[Hicks123 [enjin:6700838]]

From article on ESPN about each team that could make play for Love, and the assets they have to offer:

Houston Rockets

Trade bait: James Harden, Omer Asik, Jeremy Lin, Terrence Jones, Troy Daniels

Pitch: Houston will sell the Wolves on Harden being the only All-NBA player dangled in an offer, along with an elite defensive big in Asik and any other selection from the end of the roster. Like Golden State, the Rockets' strength is they can give up proven talent to help Minnesota win in the present. Unlike Golden State, Houston can throw in a combination of first-rounders moving forward. In this scenario, Love plays alongside a dominant defensive big in Howard and plays for the man who drafted and coached him in Kevin McHale.

Would Houston seriously be open to trading Harden? Interesting. While we aren't finding another PF as good as Love, it is much easier finding a competent PF than it is a SG. May even be able to pull one from draft (i.e. Saric or Payne). Seems odd to me that Hou would deal Harden, but you never know.

[northernhoops [enjin:9491634]]

http://m.espn.go.com/general/blogs/blogpost?blogname=truehoop&id=68391
Trades with all NBA teams. A lot of our trades made it on there.
Apparently Chad Ford said he'd be surprised if Philly didn't offer 3 and 10 for Love.
That's the best offer I've heard

[Camden [enjin:6601484]]

From article on ESPN about each team that could make play for Love, and the assets they have to offer:

Houston Rockets

Trade bait: James Harden, Omer Asik, Jeremy Lin, Terrence Jones, Troy Daniels

Pitch: Houston will sell the Wolves on Harden being the only All-NBA player dangled in an offer, along with an elite defensive big in Asik and any other selection from the end of the roster. Like Golden State, the Rockets' strength is they can give up proven talent to help Minnesota win in the present. Unlike Golden State, Houston can throw in a combination of first-rounders moving forward. In this scenario, Love plays alongside a dominant defensive big in Howard and plays for the man who drafted and coached him in Kevin McHale.

Would Houston seriously be open to trading Harden? Interesting. While we aren't finding another PF as good as Love, it is much easier finding a competent PF than it is a SG. May even be able to pull one from draft (i.e. Saric or Payne). Seems odd to me that Hou would deal Harden, but you never know.

That article was also written by T-Wolves fan Zach Harper. No way Houston trades Harden. They'd sell a deal on Parsons, Jones and picks.