Yep, and Miller also doesn't do much to help his teammates...zero assists last night. He had only 1 turnover, but some of that is because he doesn't look for assists...when he gets the ball he either looks to score or hands it off with a safe pass. Can't disregard his physical gifts though.
Miller helps his team and teammates every time he pulls down a rebound and every time he puts back one of his teammate’s misses. Again, I’ve soured on Miller since we drafted him but he not only has some terrific physical gifts, he also produces.
Yes, you are correct. What I meant to say was Miller doesn't help his teammates much with their scoring. Most of his passes are safe handoffs to a guard rather than trying to get the ball to a teammate to score, and for that reason we don't expect him to have many assists or turnovers. But that aside, I'm probably higher on Miller than most here...you're right, he does produce. Remember, I'm the one who teed up the thread about which big gets the call first if we have injuries...Miller or Berenger. There was a lot of excitement about Joan then after his shot-blocking explosion in Game 1. But it seems like the board has slowed its collective roll on Joan since that game, and now most agree that Miller is much more ready to contribute this season than Joan.
I remember petitioning to have you permanently banned from this message board for your heresy. But in all seriousness, I have to painfully admit you were right. Most of us (myself included) tend to be overly attracted to shiny new objects like Beringer and often too harsh in picking apart faults of young players like Miller who have disappointed us or not developed as much or as quickly as we initially hoped or expected. It’s good every now and then to take a step back and look beyond the biasses we’ve formed and the impatience or unreasonably high standards we apply to young players. I’m making a concerted effort to get beyond my anti-Miller bias that developed over the past couple years watching his weaknesses and too often watching him display disinterest on the court, especially on the defensive end. He is still very talented and productive. Importantly, I’ve really liked his effort on both sides of the ball in all four SL games this year. It would be huge for the Wolves if Miller could emerge as a genuine, positive part of the Wolves roster and possibly a rotation player if there are some injuries.
I still think Beringer can be a great two-way player and I think he’s a better long-term bet than Miller. But I’m no longer betting against Miller as a potential piece of the puzzle for next season and beyond.
I'm behind and hoping to catch up on all the games by tomorrow morning. Anyways I watched this one before work.
Miller showed some of what can make you excited about his game. Part of me wants him to go down to the G-league and play SF and see what happens.
Jesse Edwards had some plays on defense in this game that were pretty good moving his feet in front of guards. The upside for him isn't massive but he really has progressed since last year. Could he still get like another 10% better?
Clark has that escape dribble for 3 down whether he can make the shot after idk but he makes it look like he could.
Beringer showed some of the reasons why he might not be quite ready for the NBA and then also some reasons why I'm like throw him out there he is so good moving I'll live with sole mistakes if we need him to play some minutes. It kinda reminds me of watching McDaniels in college and I was like wait this big long dude can really move his feet I think he has the tools to really defend. He definitely had a some possessions players were like...no I'm gonna dribble and do something else than test him.
Dillingham was a mixed bag on offense although he started to get going in a more positive way as the game went on. Defensively he keeps playing hard and there was a couple times he navigated screens like a really good defender would. There was one time he kinda got housed by a bigger player but he put up some resistance and one of the times he was guarding a guy in the paint he forced the man into a bad miss. I'm not saying he is the next Pat Bev on D or something but he looks like a guy that's putting forth the effort and could be above a zero on D for sure. There are a variety of guys that weren't known for their defense that figured it out or made that their calling card. Dennis Smith Jr the whole reason he would even get an NBA roster spot is he defends. Austin Rivers became a defender. Those guys have more physical tools than Dillingham (DSJ is stronger) but they never became legit offensive players. Back to Pat Bev he has a longer wingspan but look up what he looked like in college. He was a pretty skinny dude and ended up being a pretty well built player.
The Wolves offense was not exactly flowing but the D was really good and the offense got going here and there. It's summer league I expect the offense to look less that pretty so I'd prefer the defense look good. Of course it helps Clark is playing plenty of minutes.
Miller helps his team and teammates every time he pulls down a rebound and every time he puts back one of his teammate’s misses. Again, I’ve soured on Miller since we drafted him but he not only has some terrific physical gifts, he also produces.
Yes, you are correct. What I meant to say was Miller doesn't help his teammates much with their scoring. Most of his passes are safe handoffs to a guard rather than trying to get the ball to a teammate to score, and for that reason we don't expect him to have many assists or turnovers. But that aside, I'm probably higher on Miller than most here...you're right, he does produce. Remember, I'm the one who teed up the thread about which big gets the call first if we have injuries...Miller or Berenger. There was a lot of excitement about Joan then after his shot-blocking explosion in Game 1. But it seems like the board has slowed its collective roll on Joan since that game, and now most agree that Miller is much more ready to contribute this season than Joan.
I remember petitioning to have you permanently banned from this message board for your heresy. But in all seriousness, I have to painfully admit you were right. Most of us (myself included) tend to be overly attracted to shiny new objects like Beringer and often too harsh in picking apart faults of young players like Miller who have disappointed us or not developed as much or as quickly as we initially hoped or expected. It’s good every now and then to take a step back and look beyond the biasses we’ve formed and the impatience or unreasonably high standards we apply to young players. I’m making a concerted effort to get beyond my anti-Miller bias that developed over the past couple years watching his weaknesses and too often watching him display disinterest on the court, especially on the defensive end. He is still very talented and productive. Importantly, I’ve really liked his effort on both sides of the ball in all four SL games this year. It would be huge for the Wolves if Miller could emerge as a genuine, positive part of the Wolves roster and possibly a rotation player if there are some injuries.
I still think Beringer can be a great two-way player and I think he’s a better long-term bet than Miller. But I’m no longer betting against Miller as a potential piece of the puzzle for next season and beyond.
Ha, we all love those shiny new objects! And we're going to be right about Joan eventually, I think. But as for me being right about this one: I'm looking at the broken clock in my living room right now, and it's been right twice today already!
SameOldNudityDrew wrote: ↑Tue Jul 15, 2025 4:16 pm
TSJ with an alley oop there to Edwards. Would like to see that again.
Shannon is getting really good at being able to get downhill and then find people and not just get his own shot (or draw a foul). I've been really impressed with that aspect of his game in summer league. Big development for him.
It's a pretty big deal for him especially since he gets going with such force and speed. Even doing it at this level is a pretty nice development.
Q-is-here wrote: ↑Tue Jul 15, 2025 4:24 pm
Did they literally use the entire 2nd quarter to interview JB Bickerstaff!? C'mon!
I'm a JB fan but I thought it was a fun interview. I often think it's weird how short of a time they spend with coaches or GMs. Not saying they should do a whole quarter but yeah. Lol
Yes, you are correct. What I meant to say was Miller doesn't help his teammates much with their scoring. Most of his passes are safe handoffs to a guard rather than trying to get the ball to a teammate to score, and for that reason we don't expect him to have many assists or turnovers. But that aside, I'm probably higher on Miller than most here...you're right, he does produce. Remember, I'm the one who teed up the thread about which big gets the call first if we have injuries...Miller or Berenger. There was a lot of excitement about Joan then after his shot-blocking explosion in Game 1. But it seems like the board has slowed its collective roll on Joan since that game, and now most agree that Miller is much more ready to contribute this season than Joan.
I remember petitioning to have you permanently banned from this message board for your heresy. But in all seriousness, I have to painfully admit you were right. Most of us (myself included) tend to be overly attracted to shiny new objects like Beringer and often too harsh in picking apart faults of young players like Miller who have disappointed us or not developed as much or as quickly as we initially hoped or expected. It’s good every now and then to take a step back and look beyond the biasses we’ve formed and the impatience or unreasonably high standards we apply to young players. I’m making a concerted effort to get beyond my anti-Miller bias that developed over the past couple years watching his weaknesses and too often watching him display disinterest on the court, especially on the defensive end. He is still very talented and productive. Importantly, I’ve really liked his effort on both sides of the ball in all four SL games this year. It would be huge for the Wolves if Miller could emerge as a genuine, positive part of the Wolves roster and possibly a rotation player if there are some injuries.
I still think Beringer can be a great two-way player and I think he’s a better long-term bet than Miller. But I’m no longer betting against Miller as a potential piece of the puzzle for next season and beyond.
Ha, we all love those shiny new objects! And we're going to be right about Joan eventually, I think. But as for me being right about this one: I'm looking at the broken clock in my living room right now, and it's been right twice today already!
I think Miller just handing off safe passes is growth for him. Like Q says he can thrive off chaos (somewhat similar to Minott) and yet he can't play like that all the time. I think he does still have potential to be a playmaker with the ball but he needs to time it down and do some of the other things first.
I still think Beringer could compete as a defensive center this season if that was what is needed. Edwards might get the call first but I think Beringer with his athletic ability could still contribute. Would he have mistakes and some bad fouls? Yes. So would Edwards. Not many NBA players have the athletic ability of Beringer and it's not like he is is completely raw and clueless. Miller could help too but I'm also looking at him possibly being a big SF. Maybe he checks in at the end of quarters as a guy to help with securing a rebound in a particular situation etc.
