Which QB?

[Wolvesfan21]

Pick up to three. Who do you want the Vikings to sign or trade for?

[Wolvesfan21]

I'm going with Willis, Kyler and Kirky Boy. I think any of the three would be a upgrade in talent and ability over Wentz/Brosmer.

Kirk might be my favorite pick, he knows the offense. Still looks like he can step in or even start over JJ if he earns the job. I'm intrigued by Willis and Kyler, not sure either is a great fit for what KOC likes to do with deep on time passes. But either one could be great backups too.

I could have added Flacco, Richardson and Mariota too (poll only allowed so many.

Plenty of solid QB's to pick from to be good backups. Richardson probably makes the least sense, these reports are a bit bonkers to me. His completion percentage is super trash and he took himself out of a game because he was tired! QB3 maybe for him though. I'd take him over Brosmer right now.

[Monster]

I went with Kyler Murray. He is gonna be cheap for this year and has the most high end talent. I'd guess Cousins is gonna cost some money. I actually think if there went other option Geno Smith would be fine for the vet min but I feel like he is a guy that takes a while to get in a system kinda like Russell Wilson. I'd feel confident he would do better than last year though.

Just something to think about when it comes to offense and QB play last year for the Vikings. Jacoby Brissett threw for 500 more yards than the whole Vikes team. That bar for improvement is pretty low.

[Wolvesfan21]

I went with Kyler Murray. He is gonna be cheap for this year and has the most high end talent. I'd guess Cousins is gonna cost some money. I actually think if there went other option Geno Smith would be fine for the vet min but I feel like he is a guy that takes a while to get in a system kinda like Russell Wilson. I'd feel confident he would do better than last year though.

Just something to think about when it comes to offense and QB play last year for the Vikings. Jacoby Brissett threw for 500 more yards than the whole Vikes team. That bar for improvement is pretty low.

He is gonna be cheap so we can fill out the roster better and he looks like the likely pick, but we'll see. I still wonder if KOC can create a system that fits both JJ and Kylers skillset more though. Kyler likes to play more off schedule and more in that shorter to intermediate range. I think that fits JJ currently more too.

It's a big question mark for me, is can KOC adapt to the QB rather then try and force a QB to adapt to him. It most of last year before KOC basically said screw it and started running more, and we won. So we'll see.

[Monster]

Formatting got messed up see following post.

[Monster]

I went with Kyler Murray. He is gonna be cheap for this year and has the most high end talent. I'd guess Cousins is gonna cost some money. I actually think if there went other option Geno Smith would be fine for the vet min but I feel like he is a guy that takes a while to get in a system kinda like Russell Wilson. I'd feel confident he would do better than last year though.

Just something to think about when it comes to offense and QB play last year for the Vikings. Jacoby Brissett threw for 500 more yards than the whole Vikes team. That bar for improvement is pretty low.

He is gonna be cheap so we can fill out the roster better and he looks like the likely pick, but we'll see. I still wonder if KOC can create a system that fits both JJ and Kylers skillset more though. Kyler likes to play more off schedule and more in that shorter to intermediate range. I think that fits JJ currently more too.

It's a big question mark for me, is can KOC adapt to the QB rather then try and force a QB to adapt to him. It most of last year before KOC basically said screw it and started running more, and we won. So we'll see.

1. There is a pretty big difference between a vet QB like Murray doing what he does and a rookie QB just going out there and doing whatever. There was some boneheaded things he did on the field and I wonder if that's part of what Alec Lewis of the Athletic was talking about when he said McCarthy was less prepared doing the other stuff aside from the on field things that are more obvious. McCarthy seems like a great dude but he does need to figure somethings out (including mechanically and being more disciplined there) which if he can stay healthy I think he still might do. Meanwhile Murray has done a lot of this stuff already. If the Oline stays healthy and doesn't suck he should have plenty to fun running around throwing to multiple pro bowl level guys and handing the ball off to Mason and some other decent RB.

2. It's been clear that O'Connell is a fan of mobile QBs and has been shading that way for a while. He was one himself his athletic abilities are a big reason he was drafted as high as he was. The athletic ability can get you into trouble and only take you so far but obviously running around to make plays is pretty handy. Rookie season Caleb Williams sometimes looked like shit but then he runs around does like 4 backflips and throws up a prayer...that's a dime to some guy on the sideline for a completion. Murray has that ability. O'Connell ain't gonna sit around and be sad about it.

Ultimately the Vikings got handed (some of their own doing) some real problems at QB which included loss on coaching staff, loss of vet players (Bradbury leaving and Mike Kelly not being healthy was not a small thing) , integrating a new vet QB, offensive line injuries everywhere and oh yeah and 2 rookie QBs one coming off a knee injury. They did try and go out and add to that oline but it didn't go well. It was sort of the perfect storm. Keep in mind they traded for Sam Howell another mobile QB but they couldn't get him going so they had to get another guy in Wentz who at one point in his career was plenty mobile.

Now I'm not saying everything will be fixed and it's gonna go great this year but last year was a bit of a perfect storm and whoever's fault of the failings of last year is either gone or is not gonna want to repeat that...partly because their job is maybe on the line and they are clearly not gonna roll with McCarthy they are getting a vet guy that will probably be a starter and I wouldn't be shocked if they added another vet QB with some starting experience in one way shape or form even if they are just on the Practice squad. McCarthy might have to beat out someone else to even be #2 QB. I don't expect that but I don't think it's gonna be handed to him. Brosmer I like but he obviously isn't safe either. The Cowboys signed Sam Howell and they already have Dak and Milton. The bottom line is last year's overall team wasn't good enough and the 2 biggest issues was QB play and oline. Those 2 don't have to be like super duper awesome just halfway decent and the Vikings are a playoff team again easily. I know people want more than that but I also have seen teams get in and make a run that people didn't expect...it's the Vikings so I don't have my hopes up but it's still a thing that could happen.

And I should say I agree that Murray and McCarthy may have some similar strengths and so...this might benefit everyone bringing in Murray to pair with McCarthy.

[Wolvesfan21]

I went with Kyler Murray. He is gonna be cheap for this year and has the most high end talent. I'd guess Cousins is gonna cost some money. I actually think if there went other option Geno Smith would be fine for the vet min but I feel like he is a guy that takes a while to get in a system kinda like Russell Wilson. I'd feel confident he would do better than last year though.

Just something to think about when it comes to offense and QB play last year for the Vikings. Jacoby Brissett threw for 500 more yards than the whole Vikes team. That bar for improvement is pretty low.

He is gonna be cheap so we can fill out the roster better and he looks like the likely pick, but we'll see. I still wonder if KOC can create a system that fits both JJ and Kylers skillset more though. Kyler likes to play more off schedule and more in that shorter to intermediate range. I think that fits JJ currently more too.

It's a big question mark for me, is can KOC adapt to the QB rather then try and force a QB to adapt to him. It most of last year before KOC basically said screw it and started running more, and we won. So we'll see.

1. There is a pretty big difference between a vet QB like Murray doing what he does and a rookie QB just going out there and doing whatever. There was some boneheaded things he did on the field and I wonder if that's part of what Alec Lewis of the Athletic was talking about when he said McCarthy was less prepared doing the other stuff aside from the on field things that are more obvious. McCarthy seems like a great dude but he does need to figure somethings out (including mechanically and being more disciplined there) which if he can stay healthy I think he still might do. Meanwhile Murray has done a lot of this stuff already. If the Oline stays healthy and doesn't suck he should have plenty to fun running around throwing to multiple pro bowl level guys and handing the ball off to Mason and some other decent RB.

2. It's been clear that O'Connell is a fan of mobile QBs and has been shading that way for a while. He was one himself his athletic abilities are a big reason he was drafted as high as he was. The athletic ability can get you into trouble and only take you so far but obviously running around to make plays is pretty handy. Rookie season Caleb Williams sometimes looked like shit but then he runs around does like 4 backflips and throws up a prayer...that's a dime to some guy on the sideline for a completion. Murray has that ability. O'Connell ain't gonna sit around and be sad about it.

Ultimately the Vikings got handed (some of their own doing) some real problems at QB which included loss on coaching staff, loss of vet players (Bradbury leaving and Mike Kelly not being healthy was not a small thing) , integrating a new vet QB, offensive line injuries everywhere and oh yeah and 2 rookie QBs one coming off a knee injury. They did try and go out and add to that oline but it didn't go well. It was sort of the perfect storm. Keep in mind they traded for Sam Howell another mobile QB but they couldn't get him going so they had to get another guy in Wentz who at one point in his career was plenty mobile.

Now I'm not saying everything will be fixed and it's gonna go great this year but last year was a bit of a perfect storm and whoever's fault of the failings of last year is either gone or is not gonna want to repeat that...partly because their job is maybe on the line and they are clearly not gonna roll with McCarthy they are getting a vet guy that will probably be a starter and I wouldn't be shocked if they added another vet QB with some starting experience in one way shape or form even if they are just on the Practice squad. McCarthy might have to beat out someone else to even be #2 QB. I don't expect that but I don't think it's gonna be handed to him. Brosmer I like but he obviously isn't safe either. The Cowboys signed Sam Howell and they already have Dak and Milton. The bottom line is last year's overall team wasn't good enough and the 2 biggest issues was QB play and oline. Those 2 don't have to be like super duper awesome just halfway decent and the Vikings are a playoff team again easily. I know people want more than that but I also have seen teams get in and make a run that people didn't expect...it's the Vikings so I don't have my hopes up but it's still a thing that could happen.

And I should say I agree that Murray and McCarthy may have some similar strengths and so...this might benefit everyone bringing in Murray to pair with McCarthy.

If I were to bet right now. I see a KOC / Kyler offense not working well. The things KOC wants to do most is the things Kyler is worst at! Deep on time accurate passes. Hitting that 25 yard out or in cut, thats just not what Kyler is good at.

However there are things Kyler is good at like you say. He is super evasive, nice pocket presence, scrambles and makes nice off schedule throws on the run. But I kind of feel like Jets is also bad at that. How often in his career has Jets made great plays off scramble drills? It's not what he does. His best ability is on time elite routes. Not backyard ball either.

I'm not saying it ultimately wouldn't work decently well. Superbowl though? I don't think so barring a top 1-3 defense.

Saying all this, I'm still fine bringing in Kyler. With JJ missing 3/4ths of his games and not exactly lighting it up either, he's not a guy we can fully commit to. I can see a scenario where Kyler gets hurt and JJ comes in to save the day too.

We simply can't have a crappy QB room like we did last year. We need a better 1,2 and 3 QB play!

[Monster]

He is gonna be cheap so we can fill out the roster better and he looks like the likely pick, but we'll see. I still wonder if KOC can create a system that fits both JJ and Kylers skillset more though. Kyler likes to play more off schedule and more in that shorter to intermediate range. I think that fits JJ currently more too.

It's a big question mark for me, is can KOC adapt to the QB rather then try and force a QB to adapt to him. It most of last year before KOC basically said screw it and started running more, and we won. So we'll see.

1. There is a pretty big difference between a vet QB like Murray doing what he does and a rookie QB just going out there and doing whatever. There was some boneheaded things he did on the field and I wonder if that's part of what Alec Lewis of the Athletic was talking about when he said McCarthy was less prepared doing the other stuff aside from the on field things that are more obvious. McCarthy seems like a great dude but he does need to figure somethings out (including mechanically and being more disciplined there) which if he can stay healthy I think he still might do. Meanwhile Murray has done a lot of this stuff already. If the Oline stays healthy and doesn't suck he should have plenty to fun running around throwing to multiple pro bowl level guys and handing the ball off to Mason and some other decent RB.

2. It's been clear that O'Connell is a fan of mobile QBs and has been shading that way for a while. He was one himself his athletic abilities are a big reason he was drafted as high as he was. The athletic ability can get you into trouble and only take you so far but obviously running around to make plays is pretty handy. Rookie season Caleb Williams sometimes looked like shit but then he runs around does like 4 backflips and throws up a prayer...that's a dime to some guy on the sideline for a completion. Murray has that ability. O'Connell ain't gonna sit around and be sad about it.

Ultimately the Vikings got handed (some of their own doing) some real problems at QB which included loss on coaching staff, loss of vet players (Bradbury leaving and Mike Kelly not being healthy was not a small thing) , integrating a new vet QB, offensive line injuries everywhere and oh yeah and 2 rookie QBs one coming off a knee injury. They did try and go out and add to that oline but it didn't go well. It was sort of the perfect storm. Keep in mind they traded for Sam Howell another mobile QB but they couldn't get him going so they had to get another guy in Wentz who at one point in his career was plenty mobile.

Now I'm not saying everything will be fixed and it's gonna go great this year but last year was a bit of a perfect storm and whoever's fault of the failings of last year is either gone or is not gonna want to repeat that...partly because their job is maybe on the line and they are clearly not gonna roll with McCarthy they are getting a vet guy that will probably be a starter and I wouldn't be shocked if they added another vet QB with some starting experience in one way shape or form even if they are just on the Practice squad. McCarthy might have to beat out someone else to even be #2 QB. I don't expect that but I don't think it's gonna be handed to him. Brosmer I like but he obviously isn't safe either. The Cowboys signed Sam Howell and they already have Dak and Milton. The bottom line is last year's overall team wasn't good enough and the 2 biggest issues was QB play and oline. Those 2 don't have to be like super duper awesome just halfway decent and the Vikings are a playoff team again easily. I know people want more than that but I also have seen teams get in and make a run that people didn't expect...it's the Vikings so I don't have my hopes up but it's still a thing that could happen.

And I should say I agree that Murray and McCarthy may have some similar strengths and so...this might benefit everyone bringing in Murray to pair with McCarthy.

If I were to bet right now. I see a KOC / Kyler offense not working well. The things KOC wants to do most is the things Kyler is worst at! Deep on time accurate passes. Hitting that 25 yard out or in cut, thats just not what Kyler is good at.

However there are things Kyler is good at like you say. He is super evasive, nice pocket presence, scrambles and makes nice off schedule throws on the run. But I kind of feel like Jets is also bad at that. How often in his career has Jets made great plays off scramble drills? It's not what he does. His best ability is on time elite routes. Not backyard ball either.

I'm not saying it ultimately wouldn't work decently well. Superbowl though? I don't think so barring a top 1-3 defense.

Saying all this, I'm still fine bringing in Kyler. With JJ missing 3/4ths of his games and not exactly lighting it up either, he's not a guy we can fully commit to. I can see a scenario where Kyler gets hurt and JJ comes in to save the day too.

We simply can't have a crappy QB room like we did last year. We need a better 1,2 and 3 QB play!

Jefferson is excellent at coming down with balls just thrown up to him. Kirk Cousins would just throw him up balls so Murray and him will be just fine.

How familiar were you with what Sam Darnold was good at before he landed here? Murray is wildly more accomplished than Sam was and at like nearly a tenth of the price. Super bowl? Yeah I'm not expecting that but I don't really worry about that I'm usually looking to get into the playoffs and see what happens.

Let's go back to the defense that you brought up. I think it's interesting that Allen and Hargrave landed decently sized deals this off-season which probably is good since it might offset some of the money we gave them. Will the Vikings have enough DT depth to offset those loses? If Flores has found another solid starting level CB for a relatively low price that's gonna help but what happens at safety? I was a little surprised they were willing to put the tender they did on Pace. Anyway I trust Flores and I think they have been fairly successful at finding d line guys. On the other hand if the offense is even middle of the road this year that will help that defense which was put in a tough position last season.

Oh and we need a punter. I support them not signing him to a deal it was less than a year ago Wright was in a competition to keep his job and might not have kept it if the other guy wasn't so bad at being a holder. Happy for Wright and hope he does well I have been a fan of his but 4 million a year for a guy that hasn't been consistent is a little pricey.

It's still fairly early in the off-season and they have plenty of draft picks to add to the roster. I like they were able to keep Jones for less for another year. I do hope they add a young RB this off-season. Emmitt Johnson would be fun but that's a homer pick.

[Wolvesfan21]

1. There is a pretty big difference between a vet QB like Murray doing what he does and a rookie QB just going out there and doing whatever. There was some boneheaded things he did on the field and I wonder if that's part of what Alec Lewis of the Athletic was talking about when he said McCarthy was less prepared doing the other stuff aside from the on field things that are more obvious. McCarthy seems like a great dude but he does need to figure somethings out (including mechanically and being more disciplined there) which if he can stay healthy I think he still might do. Meanwhile Murray has done a lot of this stuff already. If the Oline stays healthy and doesn't suck he should have plenty to fun running around throwing to multiple pro bowl level guys and handing the ball off to Mason and some other decent RB.

2. It's been clear that O'Connell is a fan of mobile QBs and has been shading that way for a while. He was one himself his athletic abilities are a big reason he was drafted as high as he was. The athletic ability can get you into trouble and only take you so far but obviously running around to make plays is pretty handy. Rookie season Caleb Williams sometimes looked like shit but then he runs around does like 4 backflips and throws up a prayer...that's a dime to some guy on the sideline for a completion. Murray has that ability. O'Connell ain't gonna sit around and be sad about it.

Ultimately the Vikings got handed (some of their own doing) some real problems at QB which included loss on coaching staff, loss of vet players (Bradbury leaving and Mike Kelly not being healthy was not a small thing) , integrating a new vet QB, offensive line injuries everywhere and oh yeah and 2 rookie QBs one coming off a knee injury. They did try and go out and add to that oline but it didn't go well. It was sort of the perfect storm. Keep in mind they traded for Sam Howell another mobile QB but they couldn't get him going so they had to get another guy in Wentz who at one point in his career was plenty mobile.

Now I'm not saying everything will be fixed and it's gonna go great this year but last year was a bit of a perfect storm and whoever's fault of the failings of last year is either gone or is not gonna want to repeat that...partly because their job is maybe on the line and they are clearly not gonna roll with McCarthy they are getting a vet guy that will probably be a starter and I wouldn't be shocked if they added another vet QB with some starting experience in one way shape or form even if they are just on the Practice squad. McCarthy might have to beat out someone else to even be #2 QB. I don't expect that but I don't think it's gonna be handed to him. Brosmer I like but he obviously isn't safe either. The Cowboys signed Sam Howell and they already have Dak and Milton. The bottom line is last year's overall team wasn't good enough and the 2 biggest issues was QB play and oline. Those 2 don't have to be like super duper awesome just halfway decent and the Vikings are a playoff team again easily. I know people want more than that but I also have seen teams get in and make a run that people didn't expect...it's the Vikings so I don't have my hopes up but it's still a thing that could happen.

And I should say I agree that Murray and McCarthy may have some similar strengths and so...this might benefit everyone bringing in Murray to pair with McCarthy.

If I were to bet right now. I see a KOC / Kyler offense not working well. The things KOC wants to do most is the things Kyler is worst at! Deep on time accurate passes. Hitting that 25 yard out or in cut, thats just not what Kyler is good at.

However there are things Kyler is good at like you say. He is super evasive, nice pocket presence, scrambles and makes nice off schedule throws on the run. But I kind of feel like Jets is also bad at that. How often in his career has Jets made great plays off scramble drills? It's not what he does. His best ability is on time elite routes. Not backyard ball either.

I'm not saying it ultimately wouldn't work decently well. Superbowl though? I don't think so barring a top 1-3 defense.

Saying all this, I'm still fine bringing in Kyler. With JJ missing 3/4ths of his games and not exactly lighting it up either, he's not a guy we can fully commit to. I can see a scenario where Kyler gets hurt and JJ comes in to save the day too.

We simply can't have a crappy QB room like we did last year. We need a better 1,2 and 3 QB play!

Jefferson is excellent at coming down with balls just thrown up to him. Kirk Cousins would just throw him up balls so Murray and him will be just fine.

How familiar were you with what Sam Darnold was good at before he landed here? Murray is wildly more accomplished than Sam was and at like nearly a tenth of the price. Super bowl? Yeah I'm not expecting that but I don't really worry about that I'm usually looking to get into the playoffs and see what happens.

Let's go back to the defense that you brought up. I think it's interesting that Allen and Hargrave landed decently sized deals this off-season which probably is good since it might offset some of the money we gave them. Will the Vikings have enough DT depth to offset those loses? If Flores has found another solid starting level CB for a relatively low price that's gonna help but what happens at safety? I was a little surprised they were willing to put the tender they did on Pace. Anyway I trust Flores and I think they have been fairly successful at finding d line guys. On the other hand if the offense is even middle of the road this year that will help that defense which was put in a tough position last season.

Oh and we need a punter. I support them not signing him to a deal it was less than a year ago Wright was in a competition to keep his job and might not have kept it if the other guy wasn't so bad at being a holder. Happy for Wright and hope he does well I have been a fan of his but 4 million a year for a guy that hasn't been consistent is a little pricey.

It's still fairly early in the off-season and they have plenty of draft picks to add to the roster. I like they were able to keep Jones for less for another year. I do hope they add a young RB this off-season. Emmitt Johnson would be fun but that's a homer pick.

For me it's not SB or bust, but I want to see a path to contention. I'm not sure Kyler is that player, I kind of doubt he is to be frank. Making the playoffs and getting whooped just doesn't do anything for me, show me a path to be a contender so I can get on board. My biggest fear is Kyler is just OK and we pay him big money, that will signal another 3-4 years wasted. You just can't win it all overpaying players.

It even goes back to when Teddy got hurt and they wasted (in my view) a 1st round pick in the next years draft on Bradford. I was fine riding with Hill and maybe just winning 5 games. Bradford was already being replaced by the Eagles. They had enough of him, Spielman the idiot gave up our next years first. I wanted to wait and draft a QB with that pick. Guess who went around where we could have been picking? Patrick freaking Mahomes is who! We could have drafted Mahomes and likely won a SB or multiple SB's! Myself I like Deshaun Watson who also went like 12th that draft and of course played like a baller till his massage fiasco. Heck maybe we win it all with Watson? Zim had a good to great D most years, heck we went to the NFC champ game with Keenum. With Mahomes or Watson guess what? Who knows? Not sucking balls and getting blown out is what.

Then that turns into overpaying Kirk since we were drafting late and had no QB. And on the story goes. No SB, no path to one either.

[Wolvesfan21]

Vikes bring back Wentz. I guess it's fine, probably a good choice really as Brosmer even considering minimal game reps looked so bad, it's hard to have confidence he flips a switch. Wentz doesn't really need training camp or preseason reps so we can focus on Kyler and JJ. And if both go down we don't have to turn to Brosmer again.

Maybe KOC really likes Wentz more then JJ but honestly, I think that would be foolish to have Wentz QB2 unless JJ makes zero progress which would be hard to believe. I still would like to have a door open to the longer term upside of JJ I guess is the bottom line.