Q-was-here wrote:It works better if KAT is your full-time Center, but if you have Gobert and Simmons on the floor, the spacing is going to completely suck on offense. Ant is having a hard enough time adjusting to Gobert, who lives at the rim. Imagine how little room there would be for Ant if Gobert and Simmons were on the floor together.
No thanks....
You would think spacing would be a problem. But Claxton gets most of his buckets in the paint also, and Simmons/Claxton playing together have a very good offensive rating of 116.3 and a positive net rating of 6.3. I wonder how effective Simmons and Claxton have been in pick and roll (I don't know how to research that).
I'm drooling about how our defense would look with Rudy/KAT/Jaden/Ant/Simmons. That would very likely be the best defense in the Association.
I also think that the value Simmons brings is mostly on the defensive side. But guess what? We're already a top 10 defense thanks largely to Rudy, Anderson, and McDaniels. And with JMac back, I feel like we already have a very inexpensive pure PG that gets others involved coming off the bench. Feels like we sort of get what Simmons offers with a combination of Anderson and McLaughlin.
Id go Simmons for a vet min. So much risk there. You see these mental breakdowns in individual sports, but this is really an outlier in a player that went from a star to not being able to play his sport anymore. Like does Simmons shoot and drive to the hoop when he plays pick up? Even I shoot out there.
Q-was-here wrote:It works better if KAT is your full-time Center, but if you have Gobert and Simmons on the floor, the spacing is going to completely suck on offense. Ant is having a hard enough time adjusting to Gobert, who lives at the rim. Imagine how little room there would be for Ant if Gobert and Simmons were on the floor together.
No thanks....
You would think spacing would be a problem. But Claxton gets most of his buckets in the paint also, and Simmons/Claxton playing together have a very good offensive rating of 116.3 and a positive net rating of 6.3. I wonder how effective Simmons and Claxton have been in pick and roll (I don't know how to research that).
I'm drooling about how our defense would look with Rudy/KAT/Jaden/Ant/Simmons. That would very likely be the best defense in the Association.
But look at who else is out there with them most of the time....some combination of Durant, Irving, Joe Harris, O'Neale and Seth Curry. I mean, big time shooters, a couple of whom are in the "best ever" conversation.. And by the way, you know in the playoffs teams will bend their defense to extreme levels to goad Simmons to shoot.
Ant's greatest strength is his ability to get down hill. He's having a hard time finding space with Gobert out there. I can't imagine how clogged the paint would be with Gobert and Simmons in the game (and potentially Anderson too!).
The guy missed an entire season of basketball and was heckled at every opportunity. Lost his confidence. That's what's holding him back. Get him out of New York, for starters, and give him an off-season to get right. There's still a good player there.
San Antonio seems like a good team to take a flyer on him, and they were in the mix for him at one point.
I was gonna do a "Would you rather" like Cam did but with Kyle Anderson and Simmons numbers this year. Is Simmons a better player? Probably but he is also making 4x as much money. There were people here that REALLY wanted Ben Simmons. Last offseason Connelly went out and got a guy that basically some sort of version of Simmons (the gap is certainly less this season) in Anderson for less than the mid level. That's a heck of a deal.
If the Nets really were willing to pay in assets to get off Simmons...sure I'd be interested. Simmons is a few months away from being 27 is a guy you worry about mentally and has problems staying healthy...ok maybe I'll pass. I think there is a chance like Cam said he goes somewhere else and gets back to some of what he was previously. Maybe he doesn't. That's an expensive guy that can be a liability at times. I think there I'll be some team that will take a chance on him if the Nets do decide to just unload him. I think they could actually keep him because his value can't get much worse...unless he can't play.
CoolBreeze44 wrote:Simmons + 2 Firsts for DLO? Uhhh, yeah
This is where my head is at. I'm not saying there are not challenges or risks. But I feel getting two 1st round picks would be pretty good compensation for that. And - as has been noted by others, there is certainly a chance Simmons revives his career in a different setting. That would be a HUGE coup for TC and would give him more flexibility to make other moves to improve the team by getting picks back to restock after the Gobert deal.
Again - I try to go back to like a year ago (or two - I lose track). I know many on here (including me) would have been fine giving up some nice assets to get Simmons. Now, we are talking pennies on the dollar for the same guy. He's 26....probably just hitting what would be his normal prime once he settles back in from his layoff/prior issues. Even at his worst (now) he's a positive player. I like good deals - that looks like one to me.
monsterpile wrote:I was gonna do a "Would you rather" like Cam did but with Kyle Anderson and Simmons numbers this year. Is Simmons a better player? Probably but he is also making 4x as much money. There were people here that REALLY wanted Ben Simmons. Last offseason Connelly went out and got a guy that basically some sort of version of Simmons (the gap is certainly less this season) in Anderson for less than the mid level. That's a heck of a deal.
If the Nets really were willing to pay in assets to get off Simmons...sure I'd be interested. Simmons is a few months away from being 27 is a guy you worry about mentally and has problems staying healthy...ok maybe I'll pass. I think there is a chance like Cam said he goes somewhere else and gets back to some of what he was previously. Maybe he doesn't. That's an expensive guy that can be a liability at times. I think there I'll be some team that will take a chance on him if the Nets do decide to just unload him. I think they could actually keep him because his value can't get much worse...unless he can't play.
Really great point, monster. This season I've often thought of SloMo as kind of a Simmons light. He can't guard 1-5 like Simmons can, but there are other areas where he has actually been better than Simmons. For Carlos's benefit, Kyle beats Simmons in Vorp this season 1.2 to .7. To be fair though, Simmons averaged a Vorp of 3.6 his 4 seasons prior to his sabbatical, while Kyle has generally hovered around 1.2. It gets back to the crucial question...can the 26 year old Simmons replicate anything close to the brilliance of his first 4 years? It would certainly be a huge gamble with 2 massive years left on his contract, but it's still intriguing to me.
monsterpile wrote:I was gonna do a "Would you rather" like Cam did but with Kyle Anderson and Simmons numbers this year. Is Simmons a better player? Probably but he is also making 4x as much money. There were people here that REALLY wanted Ben Simmons. Last offseason Connelly went out and got a guy that basically some sort of version of Simmons (the gap is certainly less this season) in Anderson for less than the mid level. That's a heck of a deal.
If the Nets really were willing to pay in assets to get off Simmons...sure I'd be interested. Simmons is a few months away from being 27 is a guy you worry about mentally and has problems staying healthy...ok maybe I'll pass. I think there is a chance like Cam said he goes somewhere else and gets back to some of what he was previously. Maybe he doesn't. That's an expensive guy that can be a liability at times. I think there I'll be some team that will take a chance on him if the Nets do decide to just unload him. I think they could actually keep him because his value can't get much worse...unless he can't play.
Really great point, monster. This season I've often thought of SloMo as kind of a Simmons light. He can't guard 1-5 like Simmons can, but there are other areas where he has actually been better than Simmons. For Carlos's benefit, Kyle beats Simmons in Vorp this season 1.2 to .7. To be fair though, Simmons averaged a Vorp of 3.6 his 4 seasons prior to his sabbatical, while Kyle has generally hovered around 1.2. It gets back to the crucial question...can the 26 year old Simmons replicate anything close to the brilliance of his first 4 years? It would certainly be a huge gamble with 2 massive years left on his contract, but it's still intriguing to me.
If the Wolves are getting paid to take him...yeah it's fun to think about. I was thinking Simmons was signed for longer than 2 more years. Meanwhile he is 3 years younger than Kyle Anderson (not a massive gap) and let's say after Anderson's contract expires and the Wolves had to pay him 20 million to keep him for a third season...(doubt he would cost quite that much) that would still be half of what Simmons made that year and his total 3 years of contract would be less than Simmons made that year. Lol
Meanwhile the Nets are kinda built for a Ben Simmons type player. They have had a boatload of shooting on the roster. The Wolves don't really have that especially if Russell gets traded. I don't think Simmons fits the roster as currently constructed. Of course the Wolves could make some moves to change things but I'm not sure so see that. I think the Nets are probably gonna see how things play out this season and then in the offseason figure something out from there. That's what makes sense to me I don't have any inside info or anything. Lol
