DeJounte Murray Trade

[JasonIsDaMan [enjin:7981157]]

I just read an article on RealGM that said the Spurs want a "Jrue-Holiday-like haul" for Murray. First off, Holiday wasn't worth that haul. People will forgive/forget because MIL won a championship, but no.

If the Spurs were to call (and they won't) my counter would be:
DLO/#40/#48/#50 for Murray/McDermott/#38.

Murray is an upgrade over DLO, McDermott can play most of the JO/JL/TP minutes, and they have two picks and the MLE to fill out their last 3 roster spots. As far as the Spurs, this gives them more picks if they go big-game hunting on a sign/trade for Ayton or anyone else, and McDermott wasn't working for them.

[Camden [enjin:6601484]]

We've got KG4Ever suggesting D'Angelo Russell and potentially three (!) first-round picks for Dejounte Murray, and then JasonIsDaMan says he'd counter with Russell and three second-round picks for Murray, Doug McDermott, and their second-round pick, which happens to be higher than any of the picks Minnesota would be sending out. You have to love the contrast there.

[KG4Ever]

We've got KG4Ever suggesting D'Angelo Russell and potentially three (!) first-round picks for Dejounte Murray, and then JasonIsDaMan says he'd counter with Russell and three second-round picks for Murray, Doug McDermott, and their second-round pick, which happens to be higher than any of the picks Minnesota would be sending out. You have to love the contrast there.

I'd have no problem with two firsts. I think Zach Lowe ran a poll and 65% favored making this trade (though I don't think Poeltl's name was part of the proposal). I have some pause on a third FRP (as that ties up our flexibility) and I'd try to move someone other than KAT, Ant or Jaden instead. I am trying to think back at what was the acceptable trade value for Ben Simmons (before he went AWOL and news of his back injury surfaced). I think then I was fine with DLO and two FRPs, but certainly not Jaden and unsure about three FRPs. I like Murray more than Ben as he doesn't really have any major holes to his game and he has improved every year so far, plus a lot less drama.

[JasonIsDaMan [enjin:7981157]]

We've got KG4Ever suggesting D'Angelo Russell and potentially three (!) first-round picks for Dejounte Murray, and then JasonIsDaMan says he'd counter with Russell and three second-round picks for Murray, Doug McDermott, and their second-round pick, which happens to be higher than any of the picks Minnesota would be sending out. You have to love the contrast there.

I thought I did a good job of explaining it. Not for nothing, it's OK to tell a team that overvalues its own player to go piss up a rope. Murray is not worth 3 firsts. Very few are, and he's not one of them. My trade also gets them out from under McDermott. And they're still free to do JP/#9 for Ayton S&T, or something like it.

[Camden [enjin:6601484]]

We've got KG4Ever suggesting D'Angelo Russell and potentially three (!) first-round picks for Dejounte Murray, and then JasonIsDaMan says he'd counter with Russell and three second-round picks for Murray, Doug McDermott, and their second-round pick, which happens to be higher than any of the picks Minnesota would be sending out. You have to love the contrast there.

I thought I did a good job of explaining it. Not for nothing, it's OK to tell a team that overvalues its own player to go piss up a rope. Murray is not worth 3 firsts. Very few are, and he's not one of them. My trade also gets them out from under McDermott. And they're still free to do JP/#9 for Ayton S&T, or something like it.

I have no interest in trading for Dejounte Murray, but your proposal is borderline disrespectful and illogical. The Spurs would be giving up the younger, better lead guard on a below-market value contract for two more years and all they're getting back in return is an expiring contract and three second-round picks? That's atrocious. Not to mention, San Antonio would also be giving up the highest overall pick in your offer. How does any of that make sense?

[JasonIsDaMan [enjin:7981157]]

We've got KG4Ever suggesting D'Angelo Russell and potentially three (!) first-round picks for Dejounte Murray, and then JasonIsDaMan says he'd counter with Russell and three second-round picks for Murray, Doug McDermott, and their second-round pick, which happens to be higher than any of the picks Minnesota would be sending out. You have to love the contrast there.

I thought I did a good job of explaining it. Not for nothing, it's OK to tell a team that overvalues its own player to go piss up a rope. Murray is not worth 3 firsts. Very few are, and he's not one of them. My trade also gets them out from under McDermott. And they're still free to do JP/#9 for Ayton S&T, or something like it.

I have no interest in trading for Dejounte Murray, but your proposal is borderline disrespectful and illogical. The Spurs would be giving up the younger, better lead guard on a below-market value contract for two more years and all they're getting back in return is an expiring contract and three second-round picks? That's atrocious. Not to mention, San Antonio would also be giving up the highest overall pick in your offer. How does any of that make sense?

Disrespectful? Really? Okay, a few things
1. The people who run the Spurs are adults, so after a good cry and a pint of Haagen-Daz, I'm sure they'll be fine.
2. I acknowledged in my first post on this thread that they weren't actually shopping Murray, and like I said, you are not required to make a deal with a team simply because they call you and say that is what the trade will be. There was a Ricky Gervais movie that came out a while back called "The Invention of Lying" where he got at least one woman to sleep with him because he said they had to to save the world. It wasn't a documentary.
3. If I was on this board everyday and/or had the time to review all of the threads, are you THAT confident I couldn't find something you posted that could be construed as "disrespectful"?
4. Last but not least, and at the risk of conjuring up "The Troubles", there was a time when this board was in a REALLY dark place, with much of it being disrespectful to not only very successful people, but also entire races of people, all under the cover of anonymity. I'm not saying you were the worst, but I don't remember you having a big problem with it either. It is good to know that your line is the Wolves winning a trade.

[Camden [enjin:6601484]]

Oh, boy. Glad to see you haven't changed, Jason. As always, thanks for your contributions and insightful comments. That was enlightening.

[Coolbreeze44]

I just read an article on RealGM that said the Spurs want a "Jrue-Holiday-like haul" for Murray. First off, Holiday wasn't worth that haul. People will forgive/forget because MIL won a championship, but no.

If the Spurs were to call (and they won't) my counter would be:
DLO/#40/#48/#50 for Murray/McDermott/#38.

Murray is an upgrade over DLO, McDermott can play most of the JO/JL/TP minutes, and they have two picks and the MLE to fill out their last 3 roster spots. As far as the Spurs, this gives them more picks if they go big-game hunting on a sign/trade for Ayton or anyone else, and McDermott wasn't working for them.

They won a championship. That's why they did it. He was worth the haul. You win a championship every 50 years, you do what it necessary to win it.

[JasonIsDaMan [enjin:7981157]]

I just read an article on RealGM that said the Spurs want a "Jrue-Holiday-like haul" for Murray. First off, Holiday wasn't worth that haul. People will forgive/forget because MIL won a championship, but no.

If the Spurs were to call (and they won't) my counter would be:
DLO/#40/#48/#50 for Murray/McDermott/#38.

Murray is an upgrade over DLO, McDermott can play most of the JO/JL/TP minutes, and they have two picks and the MLE to fill out their last 3 roster spots. As far as the Spurs, this gives them more picks if they go big-game hunting on a sign/trade for Ayton or anyone else, and McDermott wasn't working for them.

They won a championship. That's why they did it. He was worth the haul. You win a championship every 50 years, you do what it necessary to win it.

You're entitled to your opinion, which I'm sure is the same one you expressed the day the trade happened. I happen to think it wouldn't have taken three picks to get him, and maybe they get it done without Holiday. I hope that's not too disrespectful.

[D-Mac [enjin:19736340]]

We've got KG4Ever suggesting D'Angelo Russell and potentially three (!) first-round picks for Dejounte Murray, and then JasonIsDaMan says he'd counter with Russell and three second-round picks for Murray, Doug McDermott, and their second-round pick, which happens to be higher than any of the picks Minnesota would be sending out. You have to love the contrast there.

I thought I did a good job of explaining it. Not for nothing, it's OK to tell a team that overvalues its own player to go piss up a rope. Murray is not worth 3 firsts. Very few are, and he's not one of them. My trade also gets them out from under McDermott. And they're still free to do JP/#9 for Ayton S&T, or something like it.

I have no interest in trading for Dejounte Murray, but your proposal is borderline disrespectful and illogical. The Spurs would be giving up the younger, better lead guard on a below-market value contract for two more years and all they're getting back in return is an expiring contract and three second-round picks? That's atrocious. Not to mention, San Antonio would also be giving up the highest overall pick in your offer. How does any of that make sense?

Disrespectful? Really? Okay, a few things
1. The people who run the Spurs are adults, so after a good cry and a pint of Haagen-Daz, I'm sure they'll be fine.
2. I acknowledged in my first post on this thread that they weren't actually shopping Murray, and like I said, you are not required to make a deal with a team simply because they call you and say that is what the trade will be. There was a Ricky Gervais movie that came out a while back called "The Invention of Lying" where he got at least one woman to sleep with him because he said they had to to save the world. It wasn't a documentary.
3. If I was on this board everyday and/or had the time to review all of the threads, are you THAT confident I couldn't find something you posted that could be construed as "disrespectful"?
4. Last but not least, and at the risk of conjuring up "The Troubles", there was a time when this board was in a REALLY dark place, with much of it being disrespectful to not only very successful people, but also entire races of people, all under the cover of anonymity. I'm not saying you were the worst, but I don't remember you having a big problem with it either. It is good to know that your line is the Wolves winning a trade.

I wouldn't say disrespectful, maybe a little, but definitely an odd offer. I think this just shows how massively overpaid Dlo is. We're talking about two PGs, both close to their prime, both made an all star team. You could say that Murray is on a better contract, but San Antonio could probably re-sign Dlo for something pretty similar to Murray's contract. I think we also need to consider that players on certain teams look a little better than they really are because of great coaching and great organizations. San Antonio and golden state are both in this category.