Q-was-here wrote:
Jusuf Nurkic
Andre Drummond
Isaiah Hartenstein
Mitchell Robinson
All these guys are unrestricted free agents.
This is basically the list of free agent bigs to consider. I'd add Derrick Favors to this list it he opts out of the final year of his deal, though it's unlikely he does that.
I'd also kick the tires on Jonathan Isaac in Orlando. I think he could be had for a fair or even favorable price given the injury troubles and the Magic's sudden accumulation of quality bigs. He's also signed to a below market value contract if he could get right physically. He'd be a tremendous fit, in my opinion.
I wouldn't go near Favors. It looks like there's not much left in his tank and there wasn't that much there to begin with. But I'm intrigued by your Jonathan Isaac idea. It would be a role of the dice to some extent because of his injury history, but that's what might allow the Wolves to get him in a reasonable deal. I could get excited about landing him.
Q-was-here wrote:
Jusuf Nurkic
Andre Drummond
Isaiah Hartenstein
Mitchell Robinson
All these guys are unrestricted free agents.
This is basically the list of free agent bigs to consider. I'd add Derrick Favors to this list it he opts out of the final year of his deal, though it's unlikely he does that.
I'd also kick the tires on Jonathan Isaac in Orlando. I think he could be had for a fair or even favorable price given the injury troubles and the Magic's sudden accumulation of quality bigs. He's also signed to a below market value contract if he could get right physically. He'd be a tremendous fit, in my opinion.
I wouldn't go near Favors. It looks like there's not much left in his tank and there wasn't that much there to begin with. But I'm intrigued by your Jonathan Isaac idea. It would be a role of the dice to some extent because of his injury history, but that's what might allow the Wolves to get him in a reasonable deal. I could get excited about landing him.
I think if Orlando actually decided they were willing to move on from Isaac there would be a lot of teams willing to roll the dice on him. He is basically the PF every team is looking for IF he could stay healthy. I think the price would be relatively high for him.
Favors is cooked, Greg Monroe is easily the better player at this point.
Ingles, Portis, Roco, Boucher are options I would like at SF/PF.
At C, I would like seeing Williams drafted. If just looking for a cheap big body as a backup C, I wouldn't mind Javale McGee. He rebounds, is a presence at the rim, a good rim runner, plenty of playoff experience, and does not bitch about his role.
I also wouldn't mind trying to capitalize on whatever value Naz Reid (Use Beasley or Bolmaro if needed) has around the league in a trade for a sf or pf. He doesn't do much for me. He can shoot decently and seems to have a high IQ in terms of where he needs to be on offense, but he rebounds like shit and plays defense like shit. Just undersized and far too slow imo.
Isaac, no thank you. He is perfect in theory, but I don't view the Wolves in a place to be taking on a high risk/reward scenario, especially one who already is getting paid and will cost quite a bit of draft/player assets. The Wolves need to maximize the cap space/draft/trade assets with more minor tweaks to supplement what is in place.
DLO/ANT/McDaniels/Portis (Vando)/KAT
Beverley/Beasley/Prince/Vanderbilt (FA or trade stretch forward)/Reid or Boucher (McGee or Williams)
AbeVigodaLive wrote:Are we looking for guys who can fit a rough-and-tumble regular season role and then ride the bench in the playoffs?
Or, a legit big who can stay on the court in all the games?
Well, the ideal big would be "younger Paul Milsap or Al Horford" because those guys could play next to KAT, help guard bigs, switch effectively on guards and wings, provide D-rebounding, AND space the floor. I mean, like check every freakin' box.
I'd be fine with Hartenstein or may be Drummond. True, those guys aren't in the game during the last 6 or 7 minutes. But they may help keep KAT out of foul trouble earlier in the game so that HE can be in the game during the last 6 or 7 minutes.
AbeVigodaLive wrote:Are we looking for guys who can fit a rough-and-tumble regular season role and then ride the bench in the playoffs?
Or, a legit big who can stay on the court in all the games?
Well, the ideal big would be "younger Paul Milsap or Al Horford" because those guys could play next to KAT, help guard bigs, switch effectively on guards and wings, provide D-rebounding, AND space the floor. I mean, like check every freakin' box.
I'd be fine with Hartenstein or may be Drummond. True, those guys aren't in the game during the last 6 or 7 minutes. But they may help keep KAT out of foul trouble earlier in the game so that HE can be in the game during the last 6 or 7 minutes.
I don't think Drummond is in a meaningful playoff game past the 7 minute mark of the 1st quarter.
The Celtics played him off the floor with guys like Daniel Theis... who now finds himself played off the floor in the next round.
AbeVigodaLive wrote:Are we looking for guys who can fit a rough-and-tumble regular season role and then ride the bench in the playoffs?
Or, a legit big who can stay on the court in all the games?
Well, the ideal big would be "younger Paul Milsap or Al Horford" because those guys could play next to KAT, help guard bigs, switch effectively on guards and wings, provide D-rebounding, AND space the floor. I mean, like check every freakin' box.
I'd be fine with Hartenstein or may be Drummond. True, those guys aren't in the game during the last 6 or 7 minutes. But they may help keep KAT out of foul trouble earlier in the game so that HE can be in the game during the last 6 or 7 minutes.
I don't think Drummond is in a meaningful playoff game past the 7 minute mark of the 1st quarter.
The Celtics played him off the floor with guys like Daniel Theis... who now finds himself played off the floor in the next round.
I dunno then. If that's really the case, then we need to find some version of Vando with better hands. Right now we have McDaniels closing playoff games at the 4 because he can guard the perimeter and hit 3's. But unfortunately he gets pushed around too much and strong, athletic 4's or big 5's just feast on KAT and Jaden.
May be we go back to the well on trading for John Collins or did he sign too big of a deal for us to digest at this point?
AbeVigodaLive wrote:Are we looking for guys who can fit a rough-and-tumble regular season role and then ride the bench in the playoffs?
Or, a legit big who can stay on the court in all the games?
Well, the ideal big would be "younger Paul Milsap or Al Horford" because those guys could play next to KAT, help guard bigs, switch effectively on guards and wings, provide D-rebounding, AND space the floor. I mean, like check every freakin' box.
I'd be fine with Hartenstein or may be Drummond. True, those guys aren't in the game during the last 6 or 7 minutes. But they may help keep KAT out of foul trouble earlier in the game so that HE can be in the game during the last 6 or 7 minutes.
I don't think Drummond is in a meaningful playoff game past the 7 minute mark of the 1st quarter.
The Celtics played him off the floor with guys like Daniel Theis... who now finds himself played off the floor in the next round.
I dunno then. If that's really the case, then we need to find some version of Vando with better hands. Right now we have McDaniels closing playoff games at the 4 because he can guard the perimeter and hit 3's. But unfortunately he gets pushed around too much and strong, athletic 4's or big 5's just feast on KAT and Jaden.
May be we go back to the well on trading for John Collins or did he sign too big of a deal for us to digest at this point?
John Collins seems to be a really good fit actually. But like you... I don't know about the salary stuff.
Personally, I'd rather roll the dice on Jonathan Isaac (24) with three-years, $52-million left on his deal over John Collins (24) with three-years, $75.4-million plus a $26.6-million player option on the fourth year left on his deal. I think the cost to acquire Isaac would be significantly less than the cost to acquire Collins, along with the much smaller financial commitment. There's a decent chance that Isaac actually outplays the value of his contract, in my opinion. I'm not sure that Collins can play up to his deal let alone exceed it. I say that while being a big fan of both players.
Granted, Collins is the superior player and he's been more durable than Isaac to this point, but I think durability might actually be why Isaac is even available. If he had been healthy, he'd likely be considered a building block in Orlando and we'd be priced out. This would be a potential buy low move with medium-high reward. Not to mention, we could match salaries for Isaac without breaking up the current nucleus. That isn't possible if we're targeting Collins.
Assuming Isaac is medically-cleared, I would consider offering a deal centered around Malik Beasley and the No. 19 overall pick for Isaac and No. 32 overall.
Something else to consider is that a handful of the top prospects in this draft class are bigs and Orlando is guaranteed to pick in the top-six. That could serve as additional motivation to clear out some of their current frontcourt depth, especially in exchange for a perimeter player.
AbeVigodaLive wrote:Are we looking for guys who can fit a rough-and-tumble regular season role and then ride the bench in the playoffs?
Or, a legit big who can stay on the court in all the games?
Well, the ideal big would be "younger Paul Milsap or Al Horford" because those guys could play next to KAT, help guard bigs, switch effectively on guards and wings, provide D-rebounding, AND space the floor. I mean, like check every freakin' box.
I'd be fine with Hartenstein or may be Drummond. True, those guys aren't in the game during the last 6 or 7 minutes. But they may help keep KAT out of foul trouble earlier in the game so that HE can be in the game during the last 6 or 7 minutes.
I don't think Drummond is in a meaningful playoff game past the 7 minute mark of the 1st quarter.
The Celtics played him off the floor with guys like Daniel Theis... who now finds himself played off the floor in the next round.
I dunno then. If that's really the case, then we need to find some version of Vando with better hands. Right now we have McDaniels closing playoff games at the 4 because he can guard the perimeter and hit 3's. But unfortunately he gets pushed around too much and strong, athletic 4's or big 5's just feast on KAT and Jaden.
May be we go back to the well on trading for John Collins or did he sign too big of a deal for us to digest at this point?
John Collins seems to be a really good fit actually. But like you... I don't know about the salary stuff.
FWIW I'd be totally fine adding a big man that his purpose was basically only to help in the regular season...if the price was low enough it allowed for another FA move to be made as well. The trade deadline could be another option to add a guy that would be more useful in the playoffs.
