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monsterpile wrote:

kekgeek1 wrote:

Q-was-here wrote:I think OG has been on our coveted list since the draft, and sure enough, he's turned out to be a real solid player. These big, strong wings that can hit the 3 are just incredibly valuable.

Is there actually any rumors about him being made available or is this just the type of wishful thinking we're all wont to do at times?

There are some rumors he wants out to have a bigger role offensively. What he wouldn't have here (he becomes a free agent during the new tv deal).

Is he the next Jeremi Grant who goes to a crappy team to have a bigger role? To some extent Grant did blossom in a bigger role but for what purpose? It looks like OG's game has taken off and he isn't just a good role player but is he really a top 2 offensive player on a pretty good team? Off the top of my head the Kings make some sense but idk what assets they have that would really make the a raptors actually consider making such a deal.

I haven't watched OG enough to know if he could be a top offensive weapon (vs. a #3 or 4 type guy). I'd be skeptical that he could grow into a role like that on a really good team. Like you said, good for Grant that he gets to be featured in Detroit. But if he ever wants to go win a bunch of games, he'd embrace the role of being a 3rd or 4th option and focus on defense.

(BTW, while he didn't choose this route, Wiggins kind of took the opposite path of Grant and potentially OG. He started out as a top 2 scoring option and then eventually settled into a #3 or 4 type option in Golden State and focused on defense. This has turned out to be his ideal role. It will be interesting to see whether he embraces that identity at a fair market value on his next contract or wishes to leverage his All-Star appearance and go to a crappy team where he can go score a bunch of points).

Yes.

And I'd probably agree to whatever else Toronto asks for to make the trade more even.

This might be off topic a bit, but I'd much rather trade for Harrison Barnes at his price point and expected next contract than shove everything in for OG Anunoby despite the intriguing youth and potential to keep improving. Barnes is more battle-tested and willing to play his role moving forward, I think. That would still be my preferred route.

No shortcuts, please! They always backfire for the Wolves. Draft and develop your own talent and supplement it with free agents. This is the tried and true roadmap for small market franchises. We got someone who is a good drafter, but not such a good trader. Plus, Toronto is asking for a ransom for Anunoby and he doesn't address a big need here.

KG4Ever wrote:No shortcuts, please! They always backfire for the Wolves. Draft and develop your own talent and supplement it with free agents. This is the tried and true roadmap for small market franchises. We got someone who is a good drafter, but not such a good trader. Plus, Toronto is asking for a ransom for Anunoby and he doesn't address a big need here.

I think we agree that Anunoby probably isn't the right trade target, but trades in general are absolutely a big part of the team-building process, especially for small market franchises. Also, not every trade is a "shortcut" or undercutting the process.

Camden wrote:

KG4Ever wrote:No shortcuts, please! They always backfire for the Wolves. Draft and develop your own talent and supplement it with free agents. This is the tried and true roadmap for small market franchises. We got someone who is a good drafter, but not such a good trader. Plus, Toronto is asking for a ransom for Anunoby and he doesn't address a big need here.

I think we agree that Anunoby probably isn't the right trade target, but trades in general are absolutely a big part of the team-building process, especially for small market franchises. Also, not every trade is a "shortcut" or undercutting the process.

I believe building through the draft is the primary way to build a team. I was opposed to the Butler trade and DLO trade and as I recall you favored both trades. All it resulted in was wasted high end draft picks and two all-stars on other teams. How did the Marko Jaric trade turn out? Wolves need to be patient and let Connelly unearth talent in the drafts-talent on rookie contracts is a huge deal.

KG4Ever wrote:

Camden wrote:

KG4Ever wrote:No shortcuts, please! They always backfire for the Wolves. Draft and develop your own talent and supplement it with free agents. This is the tried and true roadmap for small market franchises. We got someone who is a good drafter, but not such a good trader. Plus, Toronto is asking for a ransom for Anunoby and he doesn't address a big need here.

I think we agree that Anunoby probably isn't the right trade target, but trades in general are absolutely a big part of the team-building process, especially for small market franchises. Also, not every trade is a "shortcut" or undercutting the process.

I disagree with this. I was opposed to the Butler trade and DLO trade and as I recall you favored both trades. All it resulted in was wasted high end draft picks.

I still do favor both trades. I haven't shied away from that whatsoever because they were legitimately good deals at the time and the result of both trades were better than doing nothing. Check the past standings if you don't believe me. The execution after the Jimmy Butler trade was a failure, but acquiring him was savvy. I don't see how anyone could feel differently, especially after seeing what he's done for Miami. Also, what was your alternative? Was Kris Dunn or Lauri Markkanen leading you to the playoffs? Stop it. I wouldn't have traded Zach LaVine, as I was very vocal about keeping him over Andrew Wiggins, but was it fair to move him for an All-NBA player to put next to a 22-year old Karl-Anthony Towns? Absolutely. You take that risk more times than not. Without question.

Also, let's cut the shit. Let's all be real about this for once. You might not have favored the trade that brought D'Angelo Russell to Minnesota. You might hate how he plays or think he's a glorified sixth man or whatever unsupported narrative there is. You might even think the Wolves "lost the trade" or whatever the case may be, but that trade needed to happen. They're much better off for it even without the great Jonathan Kuminga. The franchise gained a level of respectability that they would not have had otherwise by hoping for Andrew Wiggins to finally figure it out in year six, seven, eight, nine... And since then, they've attracted a dynamic ownership duo, a top notch head coach, and managed to coerce a top executive to leave a more competitive franchise to come lead this one. That's not to say that Russell is the sole reason for any of that, but is the state of the franchise the same or better if they're struggling to win 30 games every year? Is Minnesota better for having made the playoffs this year? The Russell trade is a huge part of all of that. It's time to stop fighting it.

Camden wrote:

KG4Ever wrote:

Camden wrote:

KG4Ever wrote:No shortcuts, please! They always backfire for the Wolves. Draft and develop your own talent and supplement it with free agents. This is the tried and true roadmap for small market franchises. We got someone who is a good drafter, but not such a good trader. Plus, Toronto is asking for a ransom for Anunoby and he doesn't address a big need here.

I think we agree that Anunoby probably isn't the right trade target, but trades in general are absolutely a big part of the team-building process, especially for small market franchises. Also, not every trade is a "shortcut" or undercutting the process.

I disagree with this. I was opposed to the Butler trade and DLO trade and as I recall you favored both trades. All it resulted in was wasted high end draft picks.

I still do favor both trades. I haven't shied away from that whatsoever because they were legitimately good deals at the time and the result of both trades were better than doing nothing. Check the past standings if you don't believe me. The execution after the Jimmy Butler trade was a failure, but acquiring him was savvy. I don't see how anyone could feel differently, especially after seeing what he's done for Miami. Also, what was your alternative? Was Kris Dunn or Lauri Markkanen leading you to the playoffs? Stop it. I wouldn't have traded Zach LaVine, as I was very vocal about keeping him over Andrew Wiggins, but was it fair to move him for an All-NBA player to put next to a 22-year old Karl-Anthony Towns? Absolutely. You take that risk more times than not. Without question.

Also, let's cut the shit. Let's all be real about this for once. You might not have favored the trade that brought D'Angelo Russell to Minnesota. You might hate how he plays or think he's a glorified sixth man or whatever unsupported narrative there is. You might even think the Wolves "lost the trade" or whatever the case may be, but that trade needed to happen. They're much better off for it even without the great Jonathan Kuminga. The franchise gained a level of respectability that they would not have had otherwise by hoping for Andrew Wiggins to finally figure it out in year six, seven, eight, nine... And since then, they've attracted a dynamic ownership duo, a top notch head coach, and managed to coerce a top executive to leave a more competitive franchise to come lead this one. That's not to say that Russell is the sole reason for any of that, but is the state of the franchise the same or better if they're struggling to win 30 games every year? Is Minnesota better for having made the playoffs this year? The Russell trade is a huge part of all of that. It's time to stop fighting it.

No, why do you have to rant on this long when I clearly disagree with you. Its as if you spout all this to convince yourself. I'm not buying what you are selling.

KG4Ever wrote:

Camden wrote:

KG4Ever wrote:

Camden wrote:

KG4Ever wrote:No shortcuts, please! They always backfire for the Wolves. Draft and develop your own talent and supplement it with free agents. This is the tried and true roadmap for small market franchises. We got someone who is a good drafter, but not such a good trader. Plus, Toronto is asking for a ransom for Anunoby and he doesn't address a big need here.

I think we agree that Anunoby probably isn't the right trade target, but trades in general are absolutely a big part of the team-building process, especially for small market franchises. Also, not every trade is a "shortcut" or undercutting the process.

I disagree with this. I was opposed to the Butler trade and DLO trade and as I recall you favored both trades. All it resulted in was wasted high end draft picks.

I still do favor both trades. I haven't shied away from that whatsoever because they were legitimately good deals at the time and the result of both trades were better than doing nothing. Check the past standings if you don't believe me. The execution after the Jimmy Butler trade was a failure, but acquiring him was savvy. I don't see how anyone could feel differently, especially after seeing what he's done for Miami. Also, what was your alternative? Was Kris Dunn or Lauri Markkanen leading you to the playoffs? Stop it. I wouldn't have traded Zach LaVine, as I was very vocal about keeping him over Andrew Wiggins, but was it fair to move him for an All-NBA player to put next to a 22-year old Karl-Anthony Towns? Absolutely. You take that risk more times than not. Without question.

Also, let's cut the shit. Let's all be real about this for once. You might not have favored the trade that brought D'Angelo Russell to Minnesota. You might hate how he plays or think he's a glorified sixth man or whatever unsupported narrative there is. You might even think the Wolves "lost the trade" or whatever the case may be, but that trade needed to happen. They're much better off for it even without the great Jonathan Kuminga. The franchise gained a level of respectability that they would not have had otherwise by hoping for Andrew Wiggins to finally figure it out in year six, seven, eight, nine... And since then, they've attracted a dynamic ownership duo, a top notch head coach, and managed to coerce a top executive to leave a more competitive franchise to come lead this one. That's not to say that Russell is the sole reason for any of that, but is the state of the franchise the same or better if they're struggling to win 30 games every year? Is Minnesota better for having made the playoffs this year? The Russell trade is a huge part of all of that. It's time to stop fighting it.

No, why do you have to rant on this long when I clearly disagree with you. Its as if you spout all this to convince yourself. I'm not buying what you are selling.

Let's backtrack for a second. You replied to me saying you disagreed. You then made a claim that was false and I explained why. Not to mention, you framed it as an "I was right and you were wrong" take. What's your issue here? Why can't you support your position?

Camden wrote:

KG4Ever wrote:

Camden wrote:

KG4Ever wrote:

Camden wrote:

KG4Ever wrote:No shortcuts, please! They always backfire for the Wolves. Draft and develop your own talent and supplement it with free agents. This is the tried and true roadmap for small market franchises. We got someone who is a good drafter, but not such a good trader. Plus, Toronto is asking for a ransom for Anunoby and he doesn't address a big need here.

I think we agree that Anunoby probably isn't the right trade target, but trades in general are absolutely a big part of the team-building process, especially for small market franchises. Also, not every trade is a "shortcut" or undercutting the process.

I disagree with this. I was opposed to the Butler trade and DLO trade and as I recall you favored both trades. All it resulted in was wasted high end draft picks.

I still do favor both trades. I haven't shied away from that whatsoever because they were legitimately good deals at the time and the result of both trades were better than doing nothing. Check the past standings if you don't believe me. The execution after the Jimmy Butler trade was a failure, but acquiring him was savvy. I don't see how anyone could feel differently, especially after seeing what he's done for Miami. Also, what was your alternative? Was Kris Dunn or Lauri Markkanen leading you to the playoffs? Stop it. I wouldn't have traded Zach LaVine, as I was very vocal about keeping him over Andrew Wiggins, but was it fair to move him for an All-NBA player to put next to a 22-year old Karl-Anthony Towns? Absolutely. You take that risk more times than not. Without question.

Also, let's cut the shit. Let's all be real about this for once. You might not have favored the trade that brought D'Angelo Russell to Minnesota. You might hate how he plays or think he's a glorified sixth man or whatever unsupported narrative there is. You might even think the Wolves "lost the trade" or whatever the case may be, but that trade needed to happen. They're much better off for it even without the great Jonathan Kuminga. The franchise gained a level of respectability that they would not have had otherwise by hoping for Andrew Wiggins to finally figure it out in year six, seven, eight, nine... And since then, they've attracted a dynamic ownership duo, a top notch head coach, and managed to coerce a top executive to leave a more competitive franchise to come lead this one. That's not to say that Russell is the sole reason for any of that, but is the state of the franchise the same or better if they're struggling to win 30 games every year? Is Minnesota better for having made the playoffs this year? The Russell trade is a huge part of all of that. It's time to stop fighting it.

No, why do you have to rant on this long when I clearly disagree with you. Its as if you spout all this to convince yourself. I'm not buying what you are selling.

Let's backtrack for a second. You replied to me saying you disagreed. You then made a claim that was false and I explained why. Not to mention, you framed it as an "I was right and you were wrong" take. What's your issue here? Why can't you support your position?

You are the master of making false claims and being disagreeable. I wish you would just leave the board.