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4. Culver. I can see him being in some facilitator deal that Cam suggests. It's not that he's the worst player ever. But, what's his role on the Wolves? And is he realizing any potential getting his 10 minutes per game? I think a new team, a new organization could salvage what's looking like a rough career. I don't think he'll ever warrant the lofty #6 pick (in a trade no less)... but he could be a serviceable rotation player if he regains confidence and any semblance of a shot.

But we've seen this story before. It's not happening here for multiple reasons. Sometimes, players simply have to move on. The time is right for Culver.

The time is here. It's the trade deadline version of: which team says no? Is this a trade that you would even want the Wolves to make if it was available? Remaining contract values after this season are included in parentheses for the players below.

Wolves:
- Patrick Beverley (1-year, $14.3-million)
- Marvin Bagley III (1-year, $11.3-million)
- 2023 second-round pick (via Los Angeles)

Kings:
- Jarrett Culver (2-year, $14.5-million w/ TO's)
- Patrick Patterson (UFA)
- 2022 second-round pick (via Los Angeles)

Clippers:
- Ricky Rubio (1-year, $17.8-million)

I edited my Beasley confusion and, of course, lost the results fo the poll. So you'll all need to vote again. :).

Seriously, I voted Rubio and Davis. Rubio seems like the most likely to get traded because, with DLO coming back, it diminishes Rubio's role on and value to the Wolves. It's already apparent from earlier this season than the two don't mesh well together. Of course, that's why some of us didn't like the Rubio deal in the first place. Moreover, I agree with Cam that there's probably a bit of a trade-deadline market for Ricky. I also voted Davis because he makes no sense now for the Wolves or any bottom-dweller and I can see some contending team viewing him as a potentially helpful reserve down the stretch and in the playoffs. His value might be a low second-round pick.

As for Beasley, I was tempted to select him because he's the guy who can bring meaningful value in return. I just don't see how the Wolves can get Collins or even Aaron Gordon without giving up Beasley. However, I just don't think Rosas is ready to give up Beasley.

Camden wrote:The time is here. It's the trade deadline version of: which team says no? Is this a trade that you would even want the Wolves to make if it was available? Remaining contract values after this season are included in parentheses for the players below.

Wolves:
- Patrick Beverley (1-year, $14.3-million)
- Marvin Bagley III (1-year, $11.3-million)
- 2023 second-round pick (via Los Angeles)

Kings:
- Jarrett Culver (2-year, $14.5-million w/ TO's)
- Patrick Patterson (UFA)
- 2022 second-round pick (via Los Angeles)

Clippers:
- Ricky Rubio (1-year, $17.8-million)

Sure. But why would the Kings do that?

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

Camden wrote:The time is here. It's the trade deadline version of: which team says no? Is this a trade that you would even want the Wolves to make if it was available? Remaining contract values after this season are included in parentheses for the players below.

Wolves:
- Patrick Beverley (1-year, $14.3-million)
- Marvin Bagley III (1-year, $11.3-million)
- 2023 second-round pick (via Los Angeles)

Kings:
- Jarrett Culver (2-year, $14.5-million w/ TO's)
- Patrick Patterson (UFA)
- 2022 second-round pick (via Los Angeles)

Clippers:
- Ricky Rubio (1-year, $17.8-million)

Sure. But why would the Kings do that?

Trading out one former top pick needing a new home for another, for starters. Rumor has it that Bagley wants out and he's already been shopped around the league without garnering much interest due to his high cap hit next season and his issues the last two seasons. Sacramento wanted a first-round pick for him a month ago. Teams are reportedly waiting for the Kings to sell very low or essentially give him away. I don't see them getting much better than what I afforded them in my hypothetical trade.

Camden wrote:

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

Camden wrote:The time is here. It's the trade deadline version of: which team says no? Is this a trade that you would even want the Wolves to make if it was available? Remaining contract values after this season are included in parentheses for the players below.

Wolves:
- Patrick Beverley (1-year, $14.3-million)
- Marvin Bagley III (1-year, $11.3-million)
- 2023 second-round pick (via Los Angeles)

Kings:
- Jarrett Culver (2-year, $14.5-million w/ TO's)
- Patrick Patterson (UFA)
- 2022 second-round pick (via Los Angeles)

Clippers:
- Ricky Rubio (1-year, $17.8-million)

Sure. But why would the Kings do that?

Trading out one former top pick needing a new home for another, for starters. Rumor has it that Bagley wants out and he's already been shopped around the league without garnering much interest due to his high cap hit next season and his issues the last two seasons. Sacramento wanted a first-round pick for him a month ago. Teams are reportedly waiting for the Kings to sell very low or essentially give him away. I don't see them getting much better than what I afforded them in my hypothetical trade.

Sure. But as I mentioned before... that's a tough sell for Sacramento.

It's one thing to give up on the malcontent they took #2 in the draft. But for a guy like Culver (#6) and who's played even worse is tough sell.

At least Bagley is a starter with volume stats (14/7). Culver would be be a bench guy, possibly not even in the rotation? Again, I get the premise... just not with Bagley or the Kings.

He's not on the list, but I believe Layman will be traded for a 2nd

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

Camden wrote:

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

Camden wrote:The time is here. It's the trade deadline version of: which team says no? Is this a trade that you would even want the Wolves to make if it was available? Remaining contract values after this season are included in parentheses for the players below.

Wolves:
- Patrick Beverley (1-year, $14.3-million)
- Marvin Bagley III (1-year, $11.3-million)
- 2023 second-round pick (via Los Angeles)

Kings:
- Jarrett Culver (2-year, $14.5-million w/ TO's)
- Patrick Patterson (UFA)
- 2022 second-round pick (via Los Angeles)

Clippers:
- Ricky Rubio (1-year, $17.8-million)

Sure. But why would the Kings do that?

Trading out one former top pick needing a new home for another, for starters. Rumor has it that Bagley wants out and he's already been shopped around the league without garnering much interest due to his high cap hit next season and his issues the last two seasons. Sacramento wanted a first-round pick for him a month ago. Teams are reportedly waiting for the Kings to sell very low or essentially give him away. I don't see them getting much better than what I afforded them in my hypothetical trade.

Sure. But as I mentioned before... that's a tough sell for Sacramento.

It's one thing to give up on the malcontent they took #2 in the draft. But for a guy like Culver (#6) and who's played even worse is tough sell.

At least Bagley is a starter with volume stats (14/7). Culver would be be a bench guy, possibly not even in the rotation? Again, I get the premise... just not with Bagley or the Kings.

Right, but it's about what Sacramento can command in return, is it not? Bagley is not staying with the Kings. Given that he's likely asked for a trade and they're already shopping him it's clear that holding on to him just isn't an option no matter what his stats are. They were recently reported to have offered Bagley to Detroit for Saddiq Bey and were denied. To me, that sets the bar in terms of asking price as well as what that franchise is willing to sell to their fans.

Also, how many interested teams are there and what do they have to offer? Less trading partners, less demand, the lower the price. This is looking like a Derrick Williams situation where they'll end up taking what they can get just to move on.

Davis, Culver, Juancho, and Vanderbilt for Kevin Love....LOL

Camden wrote:

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

Camden wrote:

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

Camden wrote:The time is here. It's the trade deadline version of: which team says no? Is this a trade that you would even want the Wolves to make if it was available? Remaining contract values after this season are included in parentheses for the players below.

Wolves:
- Patrick Beverley (1-year, $14.3-million)
- Marvin Bagley III (1-year, $11.3-million)
- 2023 second-round pick (via Los Angeles)

Kings:
- Jarrett Culver (2-year, $14.5-million w/ TO's)
- Patrick Patterson (UFA)
- 2022 second-round pick (via Los Angeles)

Clippers:
- Ricky Rubio (1-year, $17.8-million)

Sure. But why would the Kings do that?

Trading out one former top pick needing a new home for another, for starters. Rumor has it that Bagley wants out and he's already been shopped around the league without garnering much interest due to his high cap hit next season and his issues the last two seasons. Sacramento wanted a first-round pick for him a month ago. Teams are reportedly waiting for the Kings to sell very low or essentially give him away. I don't see them getting much better than what I afforded them in my hypothetical trade.

Sure. But as I mentioned before... that's a tough sell for Sacramento.

It's one thing to give up on the malcontent they took #2 in the draft. But for a guy like Culver (#6) and who's played even worse is tough sell.

At least Bagley is a starter with volume stats (14/7). Culver would be be a bench guy, possibly not even in the rotation? Again, I get the premise... just not with Bagley or the Kings.

Right, but it's about what Sacramento can command in return, is it not? Bagley is not staying with the Kings. Given that he's likely asked for a trade and they're already shopping him it's clear that holding on to him just isn't an option no matter what his stats are. They were recently reported to have offered Bagley to Detroit for Saddiq Bey and were denied. To me, that sets the bar in terms of asking price as well as what that franchise is willing to sell to their fans.

Also, how many interested teams are there and what do they have to offer? Less trading partners, less demand, the lower the price. This is looking like a Derrick Williams situation where they'll end up taking what they can get just to move on.

There's a big gap between Saddiq Bey and Culver.

Bey has size and a role in the NBA. He's already shooting three pointers above league average (38.6%) on high volume. He has every making thus far of a decent (even starter for most teams) wing player. He's been a plus player (or at least a wash) as a rookie on a bad team.

Culver can't shoot, which leaves him without a role in the NBA. He's not close to an average player and its nearing the end of year two. He's still under 50% from the line for his career.

Culver also makes more than 2x as much as Bey.