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lipoli390 wrote:

Phenom's_Revenge wrote:Winslow had his rights renounced by Memphis, if I recall correctly so he would have to be signed into space or an exception. If Oubre wasn't renounced by GS he is a sign and trade candidate.

If the Wolves want these players the time is likely now. They just have to be willing to meet a price that each player feels respected even though it's an overpay. Or just stand pat.

I thought both were renounced, which is why both are listed as unrestricted free agents. I agree with you that the time is now. The biggest question is how much they'd require to sign with Minnesota. They were each making around $14M last season. I think they're at a point where they'll have to accept less. But how much less, especially if it's the Wolves? We're starting with the full MLE of $9.5M, but no roster slots and only $4.2M under the luxury tax threshold if we sign Bolmaro and also sign both Vanderbilt and JMac at their QO levels. With that background, here's my potential path to signing Oubre or Winslow:

1. Keep Bolmaro in Europe for another year, which would increase our room under the luxury tax to $6.5M

2. Trade Juancho and one of our three 2022 2nd round picks to a team with cap space or for a player with a non guaranteed contract, which would increase our luxury tax room to around $13.5M.

3. Use $9.5M of the MLE to sign Oubre or Winslow to a 2 year deal

4. Use the $3.7M biannual exception to sign Hartenstein

Phenom's_Revenge wrote:

lipoli390 wrote:

Phenom's_Revenge wrote:Winslow had his rights renounced by Memphis, if I recall correctly so he would have to be signed into space or an exception. If Oubre wasn't renounced by GS he is a sign and trade candidate.

If the Wolves want these players the time is likely now. They just have to be willing to meet a price that each player feels respected even though it's an overpay. Or just stand pat.

I thought both were renounced, which is why both are listed as unrestricted free agents. I agree with you that the time is now. The biggest question is how much they'd require to sign with Minnesota. They were each making around $14M last season. I think they're at a point where they'll have to accept less. But how much less, especially if it's the Wolves? We're starting with the full MLE of $9.5M, but no roster slots and only $4.2M under the luxury tax threshold if we sign Bolmaro and also sign both Vanderbilt and JMac at their QO levels. With that background, here's my potential path to signing Oubre or Winslow:

1. Keep Bolmaro in Europe for another year, which would increase our room under the luxury tax to $6.5M

2. Trade Juancho and one of our three 2022 2nd round picks to a team with cap space or for a player with a non guaranteed contract, which would increase our luxury tax room to around $13.5M.

3. Use $9.5M of the MLE to sign Oubre or Winslow to a 2 year deal

4. Use the $3.7M biannual exception to sign Hartenstein

Restricted free agency really only applies to players that just finished their rookie scale contracts or undrafted players after their first contract. Everyone else is unrestricted. Then if a player is renounced, RFA or UFA, that team loses any and all rights to sign them beyond capspace or salary exceptions, all cap holds from that player, and the ability to sign and trade them.

lipoli390 wrote:

Phenom's_Revenge wrote:

lipoli390 wrote:

Phenom's_Revenge wrote:Winslow had his rights renounced by Memphis, if I recall correctly so he would have to be signed into space or an exception. If Oubre wasn't renounced by GS he is a sign and trade candidate.

If the Wolves want these players the time is likely now. They just have to be willing to meet a price that each player feels respected even though it's an overpay. Or just stand pat.

I thought both were renounced, which is why both are listed as unrestricted free agents. I agree with you that the time is now. The biggest question is how much they'd require to sign with Minnesota. They were each making around $14M last season. I think they're at a point where they'll have to accept less. But how much less, especially if it's the Wolves? We're starting with the full MLE of $9.5M, but no roster slots and only $4.2M under the luxury tax threshold if we sign Bolmaro and also sign both Vanderbilt and JMac at their QO levels. With that background, here's my potential path to signing Oubre or Winslow:

1. Keep Bolmaro in Europe for another year, which would increase our room under the luxury tax to $6.5M

2. Trade Juancho and one of our three 2022 2nd round picks to a team with cap space or for a player with a non guaranteed contract, which would increase our luxury tax room to around $13.5M.

3. Use $9.5M of the MLE to sign Oubre or Winslow to a 2 year deal

4. Use the $3.7M biannual exception to sign Hartenstein

Restricted free agency really only applies to players that just finished their rookie scale contracts or undrafted players after their first contract. Everyone else is unrestricted. Then if a player is renounced, RFA or UFA, that team loses any and all rights to sign them beyond capspace or salary exceptions, all cap holds from that player, and the ability to sign and trade them.

Thanks for the explanation. Can you become a free agent (UFA or RFA) if your team hasn't renounced its rights?

Phenom's_Revenge wrote:

lipoli390 wrote:

Phenom's_Revenge wrote:

lipoli390 wrote:

Phenom's_Revenge wrote:Winslow had his rights renounced by Memphis, if I recall correctly so he would have to be signed into space or an exception. If Oubre wasn't renounced by GS he is a sign and trade candidate.

If the Wolves want these players the time is likely now. They just have to be willing to meet a price that each player feels respected even though it's an overpay. Or just stand pat.

I thought both were renounced, which is why both are listed as unrestricted free agents. I agree with you that the time is now. The biggest question is how much they'd require to sign with Minnesota. They were each making around $14M last season. I think they're at a point where they'll have to accept less. But how much less, especially if it's the Wolves? We're starting with the full MLE of $9.5M, but no roster slots and only $4.2M under the luxury tax threshold if we sign Bolmaro and also sign both Vanderbilt and JMac at their QO levels. With that background, here's my potential path to signing Oubre or Winslow:

1. Keep Bolmaro in Europe for another year, which would increase our room under the luxury tax to $6.5M

2. Trade Juancho and one of our three 2022 2nd round picks to a team with cap space or for a player with a non guaranteed contract, which would increase our luxury tax room to around $13.5M.

3. Use $9.5M of the MLE to sign Oubre or Winslow to a 2 year deal

4. Use the $3.7M biannual exception to sign Hartenstein

Restricted free agency really only applies to players that just finished their rookie scale contracts or undrafted players after their first contract. Everyone else is unrestricted. Then if a player is renounced, RFA or UFA, that team loses any and all rights to sign them beyond capspace or salary exceptions, all cap holds from that player, and the ability to sign and trade them.

Thanks for the explanation. Can you become a free agent (UFA or RFA) if your team hasn't renounced its rights?

Yes players become free agents when the contract is done but that team still has cap hold rights