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Re: Wolves FA targets
Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2021 12:17 am
by Monster
Tactical unit wrote:I think Noel probably gets a decent check from a team and probably more than I would want to commit too. He has major offensive limitations and I like McDaniels and Reid quite a bit so to me I'd rather develop Vanderbilt than bring in Noel at the price I think he will cost. I do think Noel's defense would fit well though, just more of an expected price tag type of thing for me.
That's fair. It's hard to know what he might get although I agree he might actually get a raise over the 5 million he got last year. He might find a starting spot here appealing. I'd just like to add a more proven player to the mix that may actually not play a ton and would leave opportunities for Reid and Vanderbilt (assuming he resigns). I personally would rather McDaniels play most of his minutes on the wing instead of playing PF. There will be times going small makes sense though because it may be smart to match other teams.
Re: Wolves FA targets
Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2021 6:56 am
by Porckchop
Boban! He doesn't need big minutes to be productive and by all accounts is a great locker room presence.
Re: Wolves FA targets
Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2021 7:52 am
by Lipoli390
PorkChop wrote:Boban! He doesn't need big minutes to be productive and by all accounts is a great locker room presence.
Yep. Bobo would be a nice addition.
Re: Wolves FA targets
Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2021 8:53 am
by Q12543 [enjin:6621299]
My issue with Boban is that he averages less than 10 minutes per game. Why is that? Sure, he's really productive statistically in those minutes, but it suggests to me that his coaches know he's only effective in very limited situations. I feel like there are a handful of free agent bigs that can actually give us 20-25 MPG of productive play that are just as affordable to us as Boban.
Re: Wolves FA targets
Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2021 10:47 am
by Monster
Q12543 wrote:My issue with Boban is that he averages less than 10 minutes per game. Why is that? Sure, he's really productive statistically in those minutes, but it suggests to me that his coaches know he's only effective in very limited situations. I feel like there are a handful of free agent bigs that can actually give us 20-25 MPG of productive play that are just as affordable to us as Boban.
Q You bring up a good point.
I think it's worth looking at why he may not have played more minutes in addition to his flaws. The last 2 seasons Boban has played in Dallas. We know that the Mavs have had a lot of depth of guys that play C for them espcially this year with WCS there all season. If we are going to knock Boban for not playing then we probably better knock WCS down a peg because he hasn't played a ton with Dallas either right? ;) Here are the guys Boban was backing up the last few years.
Embiid in Philly
Deandre Jordon and Harrell with the Clippers
Drummond in Detroit and one of those years they had Baynes too
So yeah unless guys get hurt he wasn't going to play a ton as a lot of teams play smaller for a few minutes.
I also think one reason Boban plays sporadically is that...I think he can handle playing whenever. Not everyone can do that and be productive and be a good teammate while doing it. Boban would bring a good vet guy who is also hilarious.
I'm not saying he is my top priority but he would give us something we don't have and it would be nice to just have a big ass center to come in and do true big man stuff at times. I might rather have that than a guy that's kinda mediocre for 20-25mpg. We have no idea what various guys will get so it's worthwhile to throw some names out there. Someone maybe a couple players are going to end up being cheap and worthwhile hopefully we get one of them this offseason assuming Rosas doesn't make some move to get a big man upgrade.
Re: Wolves FA targets
Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2021 7:05 pm
by thedoper
QOs to JMac and Vando making them RFAs. Let them test the market and focus on other priorities. This is good.
Re: Wolves FA targets
Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2021 8:39 pm
by Monster
thedoper wrote:QOs to JMac and Vando making them RFAs. Let them test the market and focus on other priorities. This is good.
McLaughlin's QO means the Wolves have legit interest in having him back as I believe it includes some guaranteed money and the QO is a vet min contract. They could rescind it and McLaughlin could also decline to sign it and hope for something better. I think it's unlikely that he gets anything more than a vet min offer and quite honestly a vet min deal is probably a good deal for him at this point. I wonder if the Wolves still want to try and get him signed on a multi year deal. I find him getting the QO really interesting.
Re: Wolves FA targets
Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2021 11:07 pm
by thedoper
monsterpile wrote:thedoper wrote:QOs to JMac and Vando making them RFAs. Let them test the market and focus on other priorities. This is good.
McLaughlin's QO means the Wolves have legit interest in having him back as I believe it includes some guaranteed money and the QO is a vet min contract. They could rescind it and McLaughlin could also decline to sign it and hope for something better. I think it's unlikely that he gets anything more than a vet min offer and quite honestly a vet min deal is probably a good deal for him at this point. I wonder if the Wolves still want to try and get him signed on a multi year deal. I find him getting the QO really interesting.
Its a solid plan, let him test his value and set the market. Something close to the vet min is what we should be paying a back up pg. If a team wants to give him 5 mil good for Jmac.
Re: Wolves FA targets
Posted: Sun Aug 01, 2021 12:17 am
by Tactical unit
monsterpile wrote:thedoper wrote:QOs to JMac and Vando making them RFAs. Let them test the market and focus on other priorities. This is good.
McLaughlin's QO means the Wolves have legit interest in having him back as I believe it includes some guaranteed money and the QO is a vet min contract. They could rescind it and McLaughlin could also decline to sign it and hope for something better. I think it's unlikely that he gets anything more than a vet min offer and quite honestly a vet min deal is probably a good deal for him at this point. I wonder if the Wolves still want to try and get him signed on a multi year deal. I find him getting the QO really interesting.
Yeah I kinda thought McKinley UDFA signing might mean the end of J-Mac but I am glad to hear this news really like the way J-Mac plays and think he can improve quite a bit if encouraged to be more aggressive.
Re: Wolves FA targets
Posted: Sun Aug 01, 2021 12:26 am
by Monster
thedoper wrote:monsterpile wrote:thedoper wrote:QOs to JMac and Vando making them RFAs. Let them test the market and focus on other priorities. This is good.
McLaughlin's QO means the Wolves have legit interest in having him back as I believe it includes some guaranteed money and the QO is a vet min contract. They could rescind it and McLaughlin could also decline to sign it and hope for something better. I think it's unlikely that he gets anything more than a vet min offer and quite honestly a vet min deal is probably a good deal for him at this point. I wonder if the Wolves still want to try and get him signed on a multi year deal. I find him getting the QO really interesting.
Its a solid plan, let him test his value and set the market. Something close to the vet min is what we should be paying a back up pg. If a team wants to give him 5 mil good for Jmac.
The other thing these guys getting qualifying offers means that the Wolves may not have an open roster spot to sign a FA unless they make a trade. I mean they could sign a guy and just cut someone but I think it's likely they do something in terms of making another deal. If nothing else they may not want to cut someone with a decent amount of expiring money that could be used in an in season trade.