Who will Wiseman be in 5 years?

[mrhockey89]

I see him as a young Chris Bosh

[Monster]

A more durable Marcus Camby.

No joke I'd take Wiseman right now with no hesitation in this draft if this was the case. Camby was a pretty good player and would be a nice fit next to Towns in a few ways.

[TAFKASP]

He'll be TheSP, sitting on a couch watching the NBA on TV. Oh, one big exception, he got drafted.

[worldK]

A more durable Marcus Camby.

No joke I'd take Wiseman right now with no hesitation in this draft if this was the case. Camby was a pretty good player and would be a nice fit next to Towns in a few ways.

Camby was very good and productive. A double double machine who was an elite rim protector. Can shoot the mid range jumper, pass the ball, run the floor and finish above the rim. I can see Wiseman having a more durable body and frame. A better offensive game with more range on his jumper.

I see camby as more of a median for wiseman. A more likely scenario for him. I dont see him as a kandiman, kwame and darco like busts. At the same time, I have doubts that he can reach hakeem, david robinson, anthony davis or even chris bosh level. Maybe near bosh but bosh was a legit superstar to build around. Wiseman is more of a complimentary piece.

[Camden [enjin:6601484]]

A more durable Marcus Camby.

No joke I'd take Wiseman right now with no hesitation in this draft if this was the case. Camby was a pretty good player and would be a nice fit next to Towns in a few ways.

Camby was very good and productive. A double double machine who was an elite rim protector. Can shoot the mid range jumper, pass the ball, run the floor and finish above the rim. I can see Wiseman having a more durable body and frame. A better offensive game with more range on his jumper.

I see camby as more of a median for wiseman. A more likely scenario for him. I dont see him as a kandiman, kwame and darco like busts. At the same time, I have doubts that he can reach hakeem, david robinson, anthony davis or even chris bosh level. Maybe near bosh but bosh was a legit superstar to build around. Wiseman is more of a complimentary piece.

I'm not attacking you when I say this, but what makes you think that last part? I'm genuinely curious because if he was just a complimentary piece -- and not a star player -- he'd be pegged to go late in the lottery or at the back end of the first round.

James Wiseman was a likely first overall pick his senior year of high school. He has the kind of body and athleticism that can dominate at the NBA level. Not just adequately produce, but dominate. I need to remind everyone that Wiseman has nearly identical measurements to Joel Embiid coming out of Kansas. Wiseman, however, is a much superior, more fluid athlete. That's the kind of freak we're talking about here. The skill level in the post isn't at Embiid's level, but I think he's much further along as a perimeter threat than Embiid was and perhaps is.

[Porckchop]

What player in this draft has a higher ceiling? If no one, he should be the pick right?

[Camden [enjin:6601484]]

What player in this draft has a higher ceiling? If no one, he should be the pick right?

If we're thinking that all players in this class reach their maximum ceiling, then Anthony Edwards is definitely in that conversation. I just don't feel like he'll ever refine his shot selection enough to get there, nor do I think he'll give a shit about defense full-time. Purely speculative, but I don't trust the mental aspect of his game. I get Andrew Wiggins vibes when I watch him and that puts me on edge.

[kekgeek]

I have a hard time seeing Wiseman suck, I think he ends up like a Capela but even if he became All NBA Caliber his does that contribute to winning.

Top 5 bigs in the NBA

Towns: no playoffs
Embiid: Down 3-0
Jokic: Down 2-1
Gobert: up 2-1
Davis: up 2-1

Embiid, Gobert and Jokic will be the 3 All NBA Centers and none will more then likely make a conference final and only 1 will get out of the 1st round.

Starting Centers of teams that would make the 2nd round if everything held

Mcgee
Tucker
Zubac
Gobert
Lopez
Bam
Thies
Gasol

Only 2 of the 8 are top 10 Centers in bam and Gobert the rest are cheap finds outside of gasol.

Wiseman will have a long stat filled career but big Centers don't contribute to the ultimate goal.

Give me the high upside wing or guard because if they hit we are title contenders

[Camden [enjin:6601484]]

Okay, but none of those guys have another big on the team that is also a star player. If Anthony Davis and Nikola Jokic were teammates, they wouldn't be contenders? What about Joel Embiid and Karl-Anthony Towns? They'd be shit out of luck?

Hmm, not so sure I can agree. And I know you didn't specifically say any of the above, kek, but I think you're putting too much weight in the "bigs don't win in this league" argument. The best ones in the league haven't been teamed up together so we don't know for sure if this model works or not. The closest we saw to this was Anthony Davis and DeMarcus Cousins in 2017-18 and they won 48 games -- good enough for sixth in the Western Conference. Cousins also missed 34 games that year not including the playoffs, which is where I think that kind of pairing would be even more of an advantage.

[worldK]

A more durable Marcus Camby.

No joke I'd take Wiseman right now with no hesitation in this draft if this was the case. Camby was a pretty good player and would be a nice fit next to Towns in a few ways.

Camby was very good and productive. A double double machine who was an elite rim protector. Can shoot the mid range jumper, pass the ball, run the floor and finish above the rim. I can see Wiseman having a more durable body and frame. A better offensive game with more range on his jumper.

I see camby as more of a median for wiseman. A more likely scenario for him. I dont see him as a kandiman, kwame and darco like busts. At the same time, I have doubts that he can reach hakeem, david robinson, anthony davis or even chris bosh level. Maybe near bosh but bosh was a legit superstar to build around. Wiseman is more of a complimentary piece.

I'm not attacking you when I say this, but what makes you think that last part? I'm genuinely curious because if he was just a complimentary piece -- and not a star player -- he'd be pegged to go late in the lottery or at the back end of the first round.

James Wiseman was a likely first overall pick his senior year of high school. He has the kind of body and athleticism that can dominate at the NBA level. Not just adequately produce, but dominate. I need to remind everyone that Wiseman has nearly identical measurements to Joel Embiid coming out of Kansas. Wiseman, however, is a much superior, more fluid athlete. That's the kind of freak we're talking about here. The skill level in the post isn't at Embiid's level, but I think he's much further along as a perimeter threat than Embiid was and perhaps is.

Wrong wording. The better word to use would be the no.2 guy. I dont see him as the alpha dog on a championship team. But as the no.2 or 3 guy. More of an all star level than a superstar level.