Wolves trade for Pat Beverly

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The Wolves managed to legitimately upgrade their backup point guard position and their [quality] wing depth this off-season while shaving about three-million off the payroll and adding draft capital in the form of a valuable second-round pick. They moved Ricky Rubio, Juan Hernangomez, and Jarrett Culver in order to do so. It's not sexy by any means, and there's still some work to be done by the front office, but this is what winning in the margins looks like.
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For FNG and other On/Off fans, go check out all the green on PBev's b-ball reference page. This guy is a difference maker when he plays - even more than a fit Rubio. Career OnCourt +/- of +6.2 and Net On/Off of +4.6.

Fills so many needs for us:

Toughness - Check
Backup PG - Check
3-pt Shooting - Check
Vet leader - Check

The one (not insignificant) downside with him is injuries. We should not count on him being available for more than about half the games. That's the big caveat here. But his mere presence and attitude hopefully helps this team.
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lipoli390 wrote:
Camden wrote:And just like that the Wolves have had a successful off-season, assuming Jarred Vanderbilt does indeed return as expected. Incredible how quickly things change. I love this trade.


I agree, Cam. This one move has suddenly made this a successful off-season for the Wolves. Kudos to Gersson Rosas. Now the Wolves can cap it all off by re-signing Vanderbilt and then signing Millsap to fill our one remaining roster spot that this two-for-one deal opens up.

Question - Do you think the Wolves will still re-sign JMac?


I'd imagine this trade takes a slight hit to the Jordan McLaughlin bandwagon, but it's probable that he'll be back as the third point guard on the roster. The Wolves now have even more leverage in contract negotiations, but the reality is that D'Angelo Russell and Patrick Beverley are both prone to missing games. J-Mac still has value for Minnesota for the right price.
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Moving an angry, malcontent underachieving PF and a bust of a draft pick without a discernible plus NBA skill for a grizzled veteran tough guy/pest who has never played for a losing team seems like a win to me.

ESPECIALLY if that guy embraces a new type of role as a mentor on a perpetually losing team.

As for PG... he is one in name only, or on defense. He's not a creator type by any means. But I imagine he's playing with Russell a fair amount and we're all probably expecting Edwards to develop into one of those ball-dominant guards anyway.
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Q12543 wrote:For FNG and other On/Off fans, go check out all the green on PBev's b-ball reference page. This guy is a difference maker when he plays - even more than a fit Rubio. Career OnCourt +/- of +6.2 and Net On/Off of +4.6.

Fills so many needs for us:

Toughness - Check
Backup PG - Check
3-pt Shooting - Check
Vet leader - Check

The one (not insignificant) downside with him is injuries. We should not count on him being available for more than about half the games. That's the big caveat here. But his mere presence and attitude hopefully helps this team.



Tell me more about this on/off thing of which you speak?

Yep, I'm well aware of Beverley's impact when he's on the court...always been a fan. Can he keep it up at 32? And you're right...his 52 games a year is less even than DLO's 59. I sense it's a little of the Byron Buxton factor...he plays so hard all the time, he's gonna get hurt more often.

To Cam's point, with DLO, Beverley and (maybe) Bolmaro at the point, do they even sign JMac now?
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FNG wrote:
Q12543 wrote:For FNG and other On/Off fans, go check out all the green on PBev's b-ball reference page. This guy is a difference maker when he plays - even more than a fit Rubio. Career OnCourt +/- of +6.2 and Net On/Off of +4.6.

Fills so many needs for us:

Toughness - Check
Backup PG - Check
3-pt Shooting - Check
Vet leader - Check

The one (not insignificant) downside with him is injuries. We should not count on him being available for more than about half the games. That's the big caveat here. But his mere presence and attitude hopefully helps this team.



Tell me more about this on/off thing of which you speak?

Yep, I'm well aware of Beverley's impact when he's on the court...always been a fan. Can he keep it up at 32? And you're right...his 52 games a year is less even than DLO's 59. I sense it's a little of the Byron Buxton factor...he plays so hard all the time, he's gonna get hurt more often.

To Cam's point, with DLO, Beverley and (maybe) Bolmaro at the point, do they even sign JMac now?


Cam is saying the Wolves will still probably sign JMac and I agree. DLO and Beverly both has serious durability issues. Unlike Bolmaro, JMac has proven that he can hold his own as a backup PG at the NBA level. Although I liked Nowell's Summer League overall, he wasn't particularly impressive in the lead guard role. I don't see any team swooping in with a significant offer to JMac. And I don't see the Wolves withdrawing the qualifying offer unless they need to free up his cap hold to sign another free agent like Millsap. So I think the Wolves will still re-sign JMac, even if it's just one year at the QO, unless they need the extra $1.5M to ink a deal with Millsap.
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Hey remember Beverly is suspended game one. 81-1 I suppose will do
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kekgeek1 wrote:Hey remember Beverly is suspended game one. 81-1 I suppose will do


Lol. I'll be terribly disappointed if we lose more than one game this next season
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The Wolves now have a little over seven-million and three roster spots to play with to round out the roster, assuming Leandro Bolmaro is indeed coming over.

Additionally, Dane Moore tweeted that the Wolves had interest in trading for Marcus Smart prior to his new deal in Boston. The price was obviously pretty steep. They turned to Patrick Beverley instead.
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Camden wrote:The Wolves now have a little over seven-million and two roster spots to play with to round out the roster.

Additionally, Dane Moore tweeted that the Wolves had interest in trading for Marcus Smart prior to his new deal in Boston. The price was obviously pretty steep. They turned to Patrick Beverley instead.


I'm assuming we have one roster spot with Bolmaro signing today unless the Wolves are willing to let Vanderbilt or JMac walk. I calculate around $4.8M under the luxury tax with the cap holds on Vanderbilt and JMac - even less room if the Wolves sign Vanderbilt to a contract along the lines of the one you suggested. Technically, the Wolves actually have 3 roster spots to work with even with Bolmaro signing - (1) the open slot created by the Beverley trade, (2) Vanderbilt's cap hold, and (3) JMac's cap hold. Reminding JMac's QO would give the Wolves about $6.3M under the luxury tax. Reminding both Vanderbilt's and JMac's QOs would give the Wolves around $8.8M by my calculation.

I think the Wolves will withdraw JMac's qualifying offer and use the extra salary flexibility to sign Millsap. Ideally, they'd be able to sign Millsap and still re-sign both Vanderbilt and JMac. I think Vanderbilt should be a priority.
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