kekgeek1 wrote:I actually sort of feel bad for Bulls fans. Sure they will have cap space if Lavine leaves but lavine is probably the best free agent on the market. They traded for Vucevic to try to make the playoffs a year ago what they didn't, Vuc hasn't been that all star caliber player since the trade. They traded Carter Jr. who might be better then Vuc, the pick that became Franz Wagner, and they won't have next years first. Speaking of next years 1st the Bulls could be really bad again, no Lavine, Lonzo who was a great signing is dealing with a serious knee issue what he might miss the whole year with. Their recent draft picks have been bad, gave up multiple picks for Mcdourment, Valentine was bad, Markannan didn't get a 2nd contract with the bulls, Hutchinson was bad, gafford was better on a different team, Colby White hasn't been good, I still like Pat Williams but he is averaging 9 and 4 as the #4 pick what isn't great, I do like Ayo but he is just a dude.
In general I liked the bulls trying to get better but this might really blow up in their face and I feel bad for bulls fans
Bulls fans have been on a bit of a ride I agree with the basic idea you have said here. A couple points I'll make to put a bit of a more of a positive spin on the picture you laid out.
1. The Bulls got a 1st round pick from the sign and trade for Markannan (from Portland) so that was a solid piece of work.
2. Coby White is at least a worthwhile offensive player.
3. Ayo Dosunmu was the Bulls only draft pick last year. He was a 2nd round pick that played well his rookie season and was 2nd all rookie team.
4. Art?ras Karni?ovas Has been on the job for what 2 years? He already has a misstep in dealing away Gafford but he also put together a pretty nice squad last season. It will suck if Lavine walks but they will be sitting there with cap space with only a few teams having it.
6. Bulls fans probably appreciate they have a competent coach in Billy Donovan.
7. The Pat Williams pick may look pretty good if you compare what some of the following picks were...don't go to far down though lol It's still amazing to me that Halliburton dropped that far. Anyway Williams is also shooting over 40% career on his 3's and hasn't turned 21 yet.
I'm not saying the Bulls are in a great space and they have some challenges going forward like you pointed out with outgoing draft picks and if Ball's injury keeps him off the floor but if Art?ras Karni?ovas is good at his job they might not have that bleak of a future. Let's be honest until this last season they weren't really going much of anywhere anyways.
Ya I don't disagree with you, just sort of sucks for them when I didn't really hate any move that they made in the last couple of years because they were sick of being bottom feeder organization in the middle to early 2010s to 2020s. Due to Lavine probably wanting out, Lonzo knee, Vuc taking a step back and drafting solid but not star players at the moment it sort of looks a little bleak for the Bulls. Would be interested to see if they want to trade Derozan if Lavine leaves and Lonzo is out of the year.
I remember when the Butler deal went down my financial advisor for my work retirement at the time was a big Bulls fan. He was so deflated even if he kinda thought something was going to happen. I told him if Lavine was healthy he would enjoy watching him play at least. I'm not sure that helped him at all. Lol
kekgeek1 wrote:I guess I should post this also. In Kevin O'Conner draft guide he mentioned the Wolves are shopping Dlo. Now does he actually have sources or does he just think the Wolves should shop him.
*I have really soured on KOC lately, I used to love him. I thought he could of been the next Lowe but he has really turned into the national media version of Doogie these last few year. Not a big fan anymore.
"D'Angelo Russell is being shopped around, so it makes sense for the Timberwolves to target a shot-creator with this selection. TyTy and Karl-Anthony Towns could make for a lethal pick-and-roll pairing, and with Anthony Edwards resembling a superstar in the playoffs (and in Hustle) Minnesota would be equipped with a dynamic offense. Whatever Russell would return in a trade could only bolster their roster even more."
This resembles speculation rather than actual source-based reporting. For what it's worth, Jon Krawczynski, Marc Stein, and Jake Fisher have also mentioned that other teams expect the Wolves to shop Russell, but that also comes across like conjecture or guesswork. They're probably right that Minnesota is listening to calls and even making some of their own, but I don't think there is going to be a real effort to move him.
Do you really expect a journalist to reveal their sources. Leaks happen all the time. When there is this much smoke, there is fire. But just because DLO is shopped doesn't mean Wolves will find a trade to their liking, so don't freak out. I get there is a couple of you that want DLO to stay, but I see no realistic way DLO is a Wolf beyond next season and I'm glad about that.
thedoper wrote:Not that it completely solves our problems but I feel we could have got Green from Denver for a while by the looks of this deal.
ESPN Sources: Denver is trading F JaMychal Green and a protected 2027 first-round pick to Oklahoma City for the No. 30 pick in this month's NBA Draft and two future second-round picks. Nuggets have No. 21 and 30 in this draft now and Thunder has Nos. 2, 12 and 34.
Just for context
The Wolves would have had to send back some salary in that deal whether it was this season or if they wanted to do this till after the draft and they don't have a throw away matching salary to do so.
As for the OKC deal I guess they kinda paid to get Green and not have another 1st round pick this year? My guess is Green could be on the move at some point and OKC might get a future 2nd round pick or something back for him. They have done that type of thing before.
This deal looks pretty good for Denver IMO they got off some salary and get assets. Calvin Booth comes out of the gate doing well and he was trading with Presti.
kekgeek1 wrote:I guess I should post this also. In Kevin O'Conner draft guide he mentioned the Wolves are shopping Dlo. Now does he actually have sources or does he just think the Wolves should shop him.
*I have really soured on KOC lately, I used to love him. I thought he could of been the next Lowe but he has really turned into the national media version of Doogie these last few year. Not a big fan anymore.
"D'Angelo Russell is being shopped around, so it makes sense for the Timberwolves to target a shot-creator with this selection. TyTy and Karl-Anthony Towns could make for a lethal pick-and-roll pairing, and with Anthony Edwards resembling a superstar in the playoffs (and in Hustle) Minnesota would be equipped with a dynamic offense. Whatever Russell would return in a trade could only bolster their roster even more."
This resembles speculation rather than actual source-based reporting. For what it's worth, Jon Krawczynski, Marc Stein, and Jake Fisher have also mentioned that other teams expect the Wolves to shop Russell, but that also comes across like conjecture or guesswork. They're probably right that Minnesota is listening to calls and even making some of their own, but I don't think there is going to be a real effort to move him.
Do you really expect a journalist to reveal their sources. Leaks happen all the time. When there is this much smoke, there is fire. But just because DLO is shopped doesn't mean Wolves will find a trade to their liking, so don't freak out. I get there is a couple of you that want DLO to stay, but I see no realistic way DLO is a Wolf beyond next season and I'm glad about that.
- That's not what I said nor do I expect any legitimate reporter to always include their sources. Kevin O'Connor's blurb looks more like a comment on this forum rather than an actual report with reliable sources behind it. It would appear to be speculation from my view. That's all.
- Nobody's "freaking out" or acting irrationally here. I think we all know very little about what Tim Connelly is actually going to do, but we can read the tea leaves however we see fit.
thedoper wrote:Not that it completely solves our problems but I feel we could have got Green from Denver for a while by the looks of this deal.
ESPN Sources: Denver is trading F JaMychal Green and a protected 2027 first-round pick to Oklahoma City for the No. 30 pick in this month's NBA Draft and two future second-round picks. Nuggets have No. 21 and 30 in this draft now and Thunder has Nos. 2, 12 and 34.
Just for context
The Wolves would have had to send back some salary in that deal whether it was this season or if they wanted to do this till after the draft and they don't have a throw away matching salary to do so.
As for the OKC deal I guess they kinda paid to get Green and not have another 1st round pick this year? My guess is Green could be on the move at some point and OKC might get a future 2nd round pick or something back for him. They have done that type of thing before.
This deal looks pretty good for Denver IMO they got off some salary and get assets. Calvin Booth comes out of the gate doing well and he was trading with Presti.
I honestly think OKC did well getting a future first round pick for #30 overall, so it can only improve and they already have enough picks this year. They are just building their war chest of future picks. As far as JaMychal Green, I wouldn't want him burning a roster spot and eating salary on the Wolves. He's overpaid and old. For the same amount of money, we might be able to get Hartenstein or Jalen Smith who are much younger and have much more upside.
thedoper wrote:Not that it completely solves our problems but I feel we could have got Green from Denver for a while by the looks of this deal.
ESPN Sources: Denver is trading F JaMychal Green and a protected 2027 first-round pick to Oklahoma City for the No. 30 pick in this month's NBA Draft and two future second-round picks. Nuggets have No. 21 and 30 in this draft now and Thunder has Nos. 2, 12 and 34.
Just for context
The Wolves would have had to send back some salary in that deal whether it was this season or if they wanted to do this till after the draft and they don't have a throw away matching salary to do so.
As for the OKC deal I guess they kinda paid to get Green and not have another 1st round pick this year? My guess is Green could be on the move at some point and OKC might get a future 2nd round pick or something back for him. They have done that type of thing before.
This deal looks pretty good for Denver IMO they got off some salary and get assets. Calvin Booth comes out of the gate doing well and he was trading with Presti.
I honestly think OKC did well getting a future first round pick for #30 overall, so it can only improve and they already have enough picks this year. They are just building their war chest of future picks. As far as JaMychal Green, I wouldn't want him burning a roster spot and eating salary on the Wolves. He's overpaid and old. For the same amount of money, we might be able to get Hartenstein or Jalen Smith who are much younger and have much more upside.
I'm with you on Green. I think we may even be able to sign someone that will be better that's cheaper. Quite frankly I'm not sure Green is much better than Greg Monroe who we could likely sign for a vet min contract...heck maybe a vet min contract with only part of it guaranteed. Green could definitely bounce back and hit 3's at a good percentage though.
Report: Montrezl Harrell is facing felony drug charges for three pounds of marijuana in vacuum-sealed bags found at a traffic stop in Kentucky, via @rodboone.
I think both teams did well in that deal. Getting another lower first-round pick in this pretty deep draft makes sense. Meanwhile, OKC already had more than enough picks this year and they now have another future pick in the bank to use in any number of ways.
I really like the free agent PF/C options the Wolves have in free agency. I just don't see any reason to give up any assets in a trade for a big this summer. Jalen Smith, Hartenstein, Drummond and Nurkic are all free agent possibilities. Nurkic might require a sign-and-trade, but maybe not.
Here's an idea for a sign-and-trade. Beasley to Portland for Nurkic and pick #36. Then perhaps we could package 36 and 40 to move up from 19 or add a lower 1st in the 20s. A more aggressive offer would be Beasley, Naz, pick 19 and pick 40 for Nurkic and pick 7. Portland gets an elite 3-point shooting SG to pair with their all-star PG Lillard and allstar PF Sabonis for a run next season before finally moving on from Lillard. They'd also strengthen their PF/C bench strength with an offensively talented and still very young guy in Naz Reid. Further, they'd still have the chance to acquire three qualify draft prospects with picks 19, 36 and 40. What would the Wolves get out of this deal? They'd great the type and quality big they need next to KAT in Nurkic and also have the chance to draft my guy, Dyson Daniels. :)
kekgeek1 wrote:Report: Montrezl Harrell is facing felony drug charges for three pounds of marijuana in vacuum-sealed bags found at a traffic stop in Kentucky, via @rodboone.
That's too bad as it may cost Harrell some $ in free agency, but I don't think he'll do jail time for three pounds of pot. If you remember, DLO's dad was busted in Kentucky too on drug charges.
kekgeek1 wrote:Report: Montrezl Harrell is facing felony drug charges for three pounds of marijuana in vacuum-sealed bags found at a traffic stop in Kentucky, via @rodboone.
That's too bad as it may cost Harrell some $ in free agency, but I don't think he'll do jail time for three pounds of pot. If you remember, DLO's dad was busted in Kentucky too on drug charges.
