Malik Beasley

[kekgeek]

I want to say I feel like we are overvaluing our own player here. I like Beasley a good amount, he is something the wolves haven't had in a while and that is a flamethrower 3pt shooter. He is a competitor also. I will say he is still a below average defender, struggles putting the ball on the floor and is not a playmaker. Also his better numbers are in a really small sample size. He also was getting limited minutes on a good nuggets team.

Lets compare Beasley 1st 4 years to another former young Wolves player who competed really hard on defense but was just not good on it and was not a playmaker.

Beasley
G: 220 GS: 33 MP: 17.4 Pts: 8.2 Rebs: 2.0 Asts: 1.0 FG%: 44.8 3pt%: 38.8 FGA: 6.9

Former Wolves player
G: 278 GS: 16 MP: 17.2 Pts: 9.0 Rebs: 2.8 Asts: 0.5 FG%: 47.0 3pt%: 31.7% FGA: 7.2

The former great wolves player was Shabazz Muhammad, who the Wolves offered a 10+ million dollar contract and now is out of the league.

Now I think Beasley skill set of shooting 3s is more important then Bazz but I am really worried about paying Beasley good amount of money on limited playing time and we just got out of really bad contacts just worried we will be giving another bad contact with Beasley having some big holes in his game and I don't consider him a big cornerstone piece in the big picture.

Beasley in my opinion is Beasley shouldn't effect anything the Wolves want to do with the #1 overall pick.

[Q12543 [enjin:6621299]]

The fact is that assuming we are keeping Beasley to go along with DLO and KAT, that is easily 65-70 fairly efficient points per game. From a pure roster construction standpoint, Ball is redundant with DLO; Wiseman is redundant with KAT; and Edwards is redundant with Beasley. None of these potential top 3 prospects easily slot into a starting role. I know some of us think a Wiseman/KAT combination could be tantalizing, but the fact remains that opposing teams are going to lick their chops putting these two guys int Pick and Roll situations. Wiseman won't be good defensively for at least a couple years.

The second you get beyond those top 3 and into the next 5-8 prospects, you see all sorts of guys that could be excellent role players at more reasonable prices and won't feel entitled to a starting spot based on draft position. Trading out of this pick never made more sense to me than it does now.

I don't disagree........BUT that makes you wonder how many teams would actually give away assets if this draft is as flat as many think. If no one is convinced they are getting an absolute star at 1, then what does a deal look like? No way do I trade just to save money. If you get the #1 pick, flat draft or not, you do your homework and you take your top guy. In a normal year, where there are 1-2 "perceived" stars, then you can assess trade value. In flat draft, where many think pick 8 is just as likely as pick 1 to get best player in draft, not sure what we can do to generate a deal that betters the Wolves. A while back I was looking at other teams, and I just didn't see many appetizing deals that included a pick and player, which is what I would expect by moving back in draft. I also don't expect teams to be throwing future high draft picks to move up in this particular draft either.

The hope would be that some team absolutely has total man-crush on Edwards, Wiseman or Ball, which is certainly possible as draft nears.

Right, if we can't get good value on a trade ahead of the draft, then we just take the best talent available and figure it out. But man, what a freakin's trainwreck our defense is going to be if you throw in Ball, Edwards, or Wiseman with a starting lineup that already has KAT, DLO, and Beasley. I mean, they could be a historically terrible defense. May be you could bring them off the bench, but most top 3 picks and their agents expect to start right away. We have more leeway to take our time developing guys below the top 3 picks.

[Q12543 [enjin:6621299]]

I want to say I feel like we are overvaluing our own player here. I like Beasley a good amount, he is something the wolves haven't had in a while and that is a flamethrower 3pt shooter. He is a competitor also. I will say he is still a below average defender, struggles putting the ball on the floor and is not a playmaker. Also his better numbers are in a really small sample size. He also was getting limited minutes on a good nuggets team.

Lets compare Beasley 1st 4 years to another former young Wolves player who competed really hard on defense but was just not good on it and was not a playmaker.

Beasley
G: 220 GS: 33 MP: 17.4 Pts: 8.2 Rebs: 2.0 Asts: 1.0 FG%: 44.8 3pt%: 38.8 FGA: 6.9

Former Wolves player
G: 278 GS: 16 MP: 17.2 Pts: 9.0 Rebs: 2.8 Asts: 0.5 FG%: 47.0 3pt%: 31.7% FGA: 7.2

The former great wolves player was Shabazz Muhammad, who the Wolves offered a 10+ million dollar contract and now is out of the league.

Now I think Beasley skill set of shooting 3s is more important then Bazz but I am really worried about paying Beasley good amount of money on limited playing time and we just got out of really bad contacts just worried we will be giving another bad contact with Beasley having some big holes in his game and I don't consider him a big cornerstone piece in the big picture.

Beasley in my opinion is Beasley shouldn't effect anything the Wolves want to do with the #1 overall pick.

Don't completely disagree, but that 3-point shooting is a massive differentiator even if not much else is.

It is funny how much we will have to pay for him while Denver doesn't skip a beat whatsoever letting him or Jauncho go. Denver has been so successful drafting an embarrassment of riches over the past few years that they have had to let go of players just to make way for all the other talent bursting from their roster.

[Q12543 [enjin:6621299]]

The question is could Rosas and Saunders convince Wiseman, Edwards, or Ball and their agents to come off the bench in year 1 while we ask more seasoned defenders to start at the two forward slots? There is no way we sign Beasley to a big deal and then bring him off the bench, so something would have to give if we keep our pick and start DLO/Beasley/KAT.

There aren't enough basketballs to go around to accommodate Ball or Edwards in that group and maximize their skills and Wiseman would be in big trouble trying to defend paired next to another defensive liability in KAT. Plus we don't even know if Rosas is willing to budge on his small-ball 4 dogma which further brings into question a Wiseman pick.

[AbeVigodaLive]

I want to say I feel like we are overvaluing our own player here. I like Beasley a good amount, he is something the wolves haven't had in a while and that is a flamethrower 3pt shooter. He is a competitor also. I will say he is still a below average defender, struggles putting the ball on the floor and is not a playmaker. Also his better numbers are in a really small sample size. He also was getting limited minutes on a good nuggets team.

Lets compare Beasley 1st 4 years to another former young Wolves player who competed really hard on defense but was just not good on it and was not a playmaker.

Beasley
G: 220 GS: 33 MP: 17.4 Pts: 8.2 Rebs: 2.0 Asts: 1.0 FG%: 44.8 3pt%: 38.8 FGA: 6.9

Former Wolves player
G: 278 GS: 16 MP: 17.2 Pts: 9.0 Rebs: 2.8 Asts: 0.5 FG%: 47.0 3pt%: 31.7% FGA: 7.2

The former great wolves player was Shabazz Muhammad, who the Wolves offered a 10+ million dollar contract and now is out of the league.

Now I think Beasley skill set of shooting 3s is more important then Bazz but I am really worried about paying Beasley good amount of money on limited playing time and we just got out of really bad contacts just worried we will be giving another bad contact with Beasley having some big holes in his game and I don't consider him a big cornerstone piece in the big picture.

Beasley in my opinion is Beasley shouldn't effect anything the Wolves want to do with the #1 overall pick.

Wait.

Shabazz averaged more assists than Beasley? That's not possible. NO. NO!!! NOOOOOO!!!!!!!



[Note: Even though I did like a lot of what I saw from Beasley, how much stock do we put in 14 (ONLY 14) games while playing for arguably the worst team in the league vs. him being bounced from the Denver rotation? Did Denver have it wrong? Or, did they have a lot more time (3.5 years) to make an assessment on the guy? I'm cool with bringing him back. But again... how much is it gonna cost?]

[Q12543 [enjin:6621299]]

His assist numbers are off in that comparison....He was not worse than Bazz.

Beasley was going to have a hard time displacing Gary Harris as their starting SG and they have a cheap option in Monte Morris that can share the backcourt with Murray and Harris as well.

At 23, it's hard not seeing Beasley continuing to get better, even if just around the edges. He has a top tier skill in volume 3-shooting which is super important. Overall, beggars can't be choosers. If Okogie or Culver suddenly develop an outside shot, then may be eventually Beasley becomes our super-sub 6th man and we start a defensive slasher next to DLO that can still hit the open 3. But neither have proven they can do that yet. For now, Beasley may be the best option we have, even at a fairly high price.

[Camden [enjin:6601484]]

The way some on here are discussing Beasley makes me very nervous that the Wolves are going to overpay him. I like him, but if he's making something like $18-million a year -- or anything over $14-million annually for that matter -- I'm going to feel really uncomfortable. He's much closer to being a one trick pony than he is a player actually worth that number. I'd say pump the brakes and hope Gersson Rosas doesn't bid that high.

[rapsuperstar31]

I think there is a good chance we end up trading the #1 pick. If we do keep the pick, I wouldn't shy away from taking whoever they decide is the best player. Beasley has only started 33 of 220 games so far, but I did like what I saw in his 14 games here. He played 33 minutes per game for us, if we knock that down to 26-28 minutes, and work in Edwards or Ball slowly with the occasional small ball 3 guard lineup that would work. Very few teams are going to have money this year to offer players big contracts, so will Beasley take a smaller offer, or will he bet on himself and take the qualifying offer and hope covid-19 doesn't decimate the leagues salary cap the following year.

[WildWolf2813]

It's gonna be look bad if the Wolves traded Covington and a first essentially for a trial run with Beasley knowing damn well they were gonna be bad enough to pick high. Turning over the roster is one thing, but you have to have at least found something you can salvage from these deals. Otherwise it looks like Rosas is making moves for the sake of making moves without it improving the team overall. Know who else did that? David Kahn. Eventually you run out of players to churn though and opportunities to keep doing that. Your core pieces are gonna get sick of having 25 teammates in a year.


I'm of the belief that I think there are guards at #17 who are gonna be better than Edwards. I'd take them to pair with Beasley. Also, this franchise has to keep in mind that they will not be in this position next year to add talent. They better be right about what they do here because if they're building something, right now it seems they only have 2 players worth a damn to do it and who knows how long this experiment lasts.

[Monster]

I think there is a good chance we end up trading the #1 pick. If we do keep the pick, I wouldn't shy away from taking whoever they decide is the best player. Beasley has only started 33 of 220 games so far, but I did like what I saw in his 14 games here. He played 33 minutes per game for us, if we knock that down to 26-28 minutes, and work in Edwards or Ball slowly with the occasional small ball 3 guard lineup that would work. Very few teams are going to have money this year to offer players big contracts, so will Beasley take a smaller offer, or will he bet on himself and take the qualifying offer and hope covid-19 doesn't decimate the leagues salary cap the following year.

I tend to agree with you...where is the big money offer going to come for Beasley? I'm a fan of his but I'm not sure what number I would feel good about. I like this thread about him I do think there is a chance he can become some sort of core piece of this group.

It sorta feels like adding him gives the wolves a Possible replacement of either a Lavine or Wiggins type young scoring wing guy. Maybe he is JUST what Bazz should have been a high scoring 6th/7th man guy. If paid the right amount that has plenty of value. At one point it seemed Bazz had that type of ability too...but man it's a little wild he is totally out of the league. The Wolves need to hit on and develop guys like Beasley or make the smart decisions to let them walk if needed. If the Wolves draft a guard it's going to be even more interesting to see what happens with Beasley. I suppose a sign and trade is a possibility to get something for him. I would imagine his value is at least a tiny bit higher than what it was before the deal.