Point Guard Rankings for 2022-23

[Monster]

I'd trade DLO for everybody except Lowry. Big surprise, I know.

I'm excited about what we might get from DLO next season. However, I only mentioned who I wouldn't trade DLO for, namely Kyrie. I wouldn't trade him for Lowry or Westbrook. I might trade him for Simmons, but it would depend on knowing more about Ben's back and state of mind. Otherwise, I'd trade him for anyone else on that list.

I agree on Lowry and Westbrook, but I wouldn't hesitate one second to trade him for either Irving or Simmons. I would not trade Russell for Giddey.

This list unfortunately shows why TC was not able to move DLo this summer. It was widely rumored that finding a deal for Russell was a high priority this off-season, but I think TC might have been disappointed to learn how low he was valued around the league. While many of us here appreciate some forward progress DLo made last season and value the contributions he made to a successful season, he is ranked behind every top 25 PG except Josh "can't shoot" Giddey and Kyle "Rocking Chair" Lowry. By the way, even though I would not trade a 26 year old DLo for a 36 year old Lowry, I would rank Lowry ahead of DLo based on his superior season last year.

Despite DLo's low ranking around the association, I continue to be excited about the Wolves' prospects this year. "Good DLo" could be a nice supporting piece to a 55-win season, and I trust Finchie to replace him with J-Mac whenever "Bad DLo" makes an appearance.

"It was widely rumored that finding a deal for Russell was a high priority this off-season,"

It like to see the reports about this.

[FNG]

I'd trade DLO for everybody except Lowry. Big surprise, I know.

I'm excited about what we might get from DLO next season. However, I only mentioned who I wouldn't trade DLO for, namely Kyrie. I wouldn't trade him for Lowry or Westbrook. I might trade him for Simmons, but it would depend on knowing more about Ben's back and state of mind. Otherwise, I'd trade him for anyone else on that list.

I agree on Lowry and Westbrook, but I wouldn't hesitate one second to trade him for either Irving or Simmons. I would not trade Russell for Giddey.

This list unfortunately shows why TC was not able to move DLo this summer. It was widely rumored that finding a deal for Russell was a high priority this off-season, but I think TC might have been disappointed to learn how low he was valued around the league. While many of us here appreciate some forward progress DLo made last season and value the contributions he made to a successful season, he is ranked behind every top 25 PG except Josh "can't shoot" Giddey and Kyle "Rocking Chair" Lowry. By the way, even though I would not trade a 26 year old DLo for a 36 year old Lowry, I would rank Lowry ahead of DLo based on his superior season last year.

Despite DLo's low ranking around the association, I continue to be excited about the Wolves' prospects this year. "Good DLo" could be a nice supporting piece to a 55-win season, and I trust Finchie to replace him with J-Mac whenever "Bad DLo" makes an appearance.

"It was widely rumored that finding a deal for Russell was a high priority this off-season,"

It like to see the reports about this.

Monster, google "rumors that Timberwolves want to trade D'Angelo Russell", and you will find page after page discussing the Wolves intentions with respect to Russell. That to me constitutes "widely rumored". I don't think you would find so many results if you substituted any other T-Wolf for DLo in a search. Dane Moore is quite connected in NBA circles, I believe, and he reported the following back in June:

"I've been saying for the past month that I've heard it is over a 50% chance that D'Angelo Russell is traded this offseason.

Conversations with a few non-Timberwolves sources today suggest a Russell trade is now even more likely -- either tonight or the first week of July."

I don't believe Dane would have tweeted that if he wasn't hearing a lot of steam about trying to move DLo. We can interpret the many rumors on the internet and Dane's tweet any way we want, but to me it is fairly clear that moving DLo was a priority in the off-season, and that TC didn't pull the trigger because he couldn't find a return he found suitable. Only a few here would have supported a deal that brought back little value...I certainly wouldn't have...so I trust that TC made the right decision to keep him. Further, both he and Finchie have been quite savvy in consistently praising DLo to the media. Again, we can interpret their positive comments in different ways. I interpret them as trying to prop up Russell's value while they were actively pursuing possible deals, and then after they realized it wasn't going to happen, the positive comments were designed to show they value a guy who they need to be a positive contributor this season.

[Monster]

I'd trade DLO for everybody except Lowry. Big surprise, I know.

I'm excited about what we might get from DLO next season. However, I only mentioned who I wouldn't trade DLO for, namely Kyrie. I wouldn't trade him for Lowry or Westbrook. I might trade him for Simmons, but it would depend on knowing more about Ben's back and state of mind. Otherwise, I'd trade him for anyone else on that list.

I agree on Lowry and Westbrook, but I wouldn't hesitate one second to trade him for either Irving or Simmons. I would not trade Russell for Giddey.

This list unfortunately shows why TC was not able to move DLo this summer. It was widely rumored that finding a deal for Russell was a high priority this off-season, but I think TC might have been disappointed to learn how low he was valued around the league. While many of us here appreciate some forward progress DLo made last season and value the contributions he made to a successful season, he is ranked behind every top 25 PG except Josh "can't shoot" Giddey and Kyle "Rocking Chair" Lowry. By the way, even though I would not trade a 26 year old DLo for a 36 year old Lowry, I would rank Lowry ahead of DLo based on his superior season last year.

Despite DLo's low ranking around the association, I continue to be excited about the Wolves' prospects this year. "Good DLo" could be a nice supporting piece to a 55-win season, and I trust Finchie to replace him with J-Mac whenever "Bad DLo" makes an appearance.

"It was widely rumored that finding a deal for Russell was a high priority this off-season,"

It like to see the reports about this.

Monster, google "rumors that Timberwolves want to trade D'Angelo Russell", and you will find page after page discussing the Wolves intentions with respect to Russell. That to me constitutes "widely rumored". I don't think you would find so many results if you substituted any other T-Wolf for DLo in a search. Dane Moore is quite connected in NBA circles, I believe, and he reported the following back in June:

"I've been saying for the past month that I've heard it is over a 50% chance that D'Angelo Russell is traded this offseason.

Conversations with a few non-Timberwolves sources today suggest a Russell trade is now even more likely -- either tonight or the first week of July."

I don't believe Dane would have tweeted that if he wasn't hearing a lot of steam about trying to move DLo. We can interpret the many rumors on the internet and Dane's tweet any way we want, but to me it is fairly clear that moving DLo was a priority in the off-season, and that TC didn't pull the trigger because he couldn't find a return he found suitable. Only a few here would have supported a deal that brought back little value...I certainly wouldn't have...so I trust that TC made the right decision to keep him. Further, both he and Finchie have been quite savvy in consistently praising DLo to the media. Again, we can interpret their positive comments in different ways. I interpret them as trying to prop up Russell's value while they were actively pursuing possible deals, and then after they realized it wasn't going to happen, the positive comments were designed to show they value a guy who they need to be a positive contributor this season.

None of those reports say that moving Russell was Connelly's "top priority".

Edit: I apologize you said "high priority" and I said "top priority" those are different things.

You can interpret those reports as dealing Russell was a high priority. I'm not sure that was really the case. I think the priority was finding a significant upgrade to the roster and so it would make sense that Russell would be in the conversation because of his salary and because he is on a one year deal. Yes that can be slipping hairs. I think it would be easier to assume Beasley was a higher priority to move than Russell based on the comments Finch made about finding minutes for Nowell.

[Camden [enjin:6601484]]

I'd trade DLO for everybody except Lowry. Big surprise, I know.

I'm excited about what we might get from DLO next season. However, I only mentioned who I wouldn't trade DLO for, namely Kyrie. I wouldn't trade him for Lowry or Westbrook. I might trade him for Simmons, but it would depend on knowing more about Ben's back and state of mind. Otherwise, I'd trade him for anyone else on that list.

I agree on Lowry and Westbrook, but I wouldn't hesitate one second to trade him for either Irving or Simmons. I would not trade Russell for Giddey.

This list unfortunately shows why TC was not able to move DLo this summer. It was widely rumored that finding a deal for Russell was a high priority this off-season, but I think TC might have been disappointed to learn how low he was valued around the league. While many of us here appreciate some forward progress DLo made last season and value the contributions he made to a successful season, he is ranked behind every top 25 PG except Josh "can't shoot" Giddey and Kyle "Rocking Chair" Lowry. By the way, even though I would not trade a 26 year old DLo for a 36 year old Lowry, I would rank Lowry ahead of DLo based on his superior season last year.

Despite DLo's low ranking around the association, I continue to be excited about the Wolves' prospects this year. "Good DLo" could be a nice supporting piece to a 55-win season, and I trust Finchie to replace him with J-Mac whenever "Bad DLo" makes an appearance.

"It was widely rumored that finding a deal for Russell was a high priority this off-season,"

It like to see the reports about this.

Yeah, you won't find those reports because they don't actually exist. That statement specifically represents wishful thinking from those that wanted D'Angelo Russell removed from this roster, and because they didn't get their way they'll now say that nobody wanted Russell, including Minnesota. Funny, how that happens.

What we did see was continuous speculation about Russell's availability. Multiple reporters -- namely, Jon Krawczynski, Marc Stein, and Jake Fischer -- noted that other teams expected the Timberwolves to trade Russell this summer.

We also saw Dane Moore, who's typically not a Russell fan, throw out an oddly-worded tweet that made him appear in the know, but in reality the tweet meant very little.

"I've been saying for the past month that I've heard it is over a 50% chance that D'Angelo Russell is traded this offseason.

Conversations with a few non-Timberwolves sources today suggest a Russell trade is now even more likely -- either tonight or the first week of July."

The truth of the matter is that Russell was likely included in trade talks as this new front office gauged the market value of a number of their players -- as any responsible organization would. However, the sentiment that moving Russell was a "high priority" this off-season is a fabrication. It's just poorly-supported rhetoric from those that don't appreciate Russell on this team and what he's able to do as a scorer and facilitator.

[FNG]

I'd trade DLO for everybody except Lowry. Big surprise, I know.

I'm excited about what we might get from DLO next season. However, I only mentioned who I wouldn't trade DLO for, namely Kyrie. I wouldn't trade him for Lowry or Westbrook. I might trade him for Simmons, but it would depend on knowing more about Ben's back and state of mind. Otherwise, I'd trade him for anyone else on that list.

I agree on Lowry and Westbrook, but I wouldn't hesitate one second to trade him for either Irving or Simmons. I would not trade Russell for Giddey.

This list unfortunately shows why TC was not able to move DLo this summer. It was widely rumored that finding a deal for Russell was a high priority this off-season, but I think TC might have been disappointed to learn how low he was valued around the league. While many of us here appreciate some forward progress DLo made last season and value the contributions he made to a successful season, he is ranked behind every top 25 PG except Josh "can't shoot" Giddey and Kyle "Rocking Chair" Lowry. By the way, even though I would not trade a 26 year old DLo for a 36 year old Lowry, I would rank Lowry ahead of DLo based on his superior season last year.

Despite DLo's low ranking around the association, I continue to be excited about the Wolves' prospects this year. "Good DLo" could be a nice supporting piece to a 55-win season, and I trust Finchie to replace him with J-Mac whenever "Bad DLo" makes an appearance.

"It was widely rumored that finding a deal for Russell was a high priority this off-season,"

It like to see the reports about this.

Monster, google "rumors that Timberwolves want to trade D'Angelo Russell", and you will find page after page discussing the Wolves intentions with respect to Russell. That to me constitutes "widely rumored". I don't think you would find so many results if you substituted any other T-Wolf for DLo in a search. Dane Moore is quite connected in NBA circles, I believe, and he reported the following back in June:

"I've been saying for the past month that I've heard it is over a 50% chance that D'Angelo Russell is traded this offseason.

Conversations with a few non-Timberwolves sources today suggest a Russell trade is now even more likely -- either tonight or the first week of July."

I don't believe Dane would have tweeted that if he wasn't hearing a lot of steam about trying to move DLo. We can interpret the many rumors on the internet and Dane's tweet any way we want, but to me it is fairly clear that moving DLo was a priority in the off-season, and that TC didn't pull the trigger because he couldn't find a return he found suitable. Only a few here would have supported a deal that brought back little value...I certainly wouldn't have...so I trust that TC made the right decision to keep him. Further, both he and Finchie have been quite savvy in consistently praising DLo to the media. Again, we can interpret their positive comments in different ways. I interpret them as trying to prop up Russell's value while they were actively pursuing possible deals, and then after they realized it wasn't going to happen, the positive comments were designed to show they value a guy who they need to be a positive contributor this season.

None of those reports say that moving Russell was Connelly's "top priority".

Edit: I apologize you said "high priority" and I said "top priority" those are different things.

You can interpret those reports as dealing Russell was a high priority. I'm not sure that was really the case. I think the priority was finding a significant upgrade to the roster and so it would make sense that Russell would be in the conversation because of his salary and because he is on a one year deal. Yes that can be slipping hairs. I think it would be easier to assume Beasley was a higher priority to move than Russell based on the comments Finch made about finding minutes for Nowell.

No apology needed, monster. We can all guess what TC's highest priorities were this summer, but I think they might have been these four (in no particular order):

1) Maximizing the return on our multiple draft picks
2) Finding a way to turn DLo's max contract into more valuable assets
3) Moving Beasley to make room for a cheaper option in Nowell as 6th man
4) Upgrading the starting PF position and adding size to the roster.

Just my guess, based on what I read in internet rumors and what my (and many on this board) priorities would have been. If those were indeed his top 4 priorities, I would argue that he achieved three of them and is off to a successful start as our POBO. And if the possible returns for DLo were at a level commensurate with a 23rd ranked PG, I would conclude that he was successful in that priority also.

[Coolbreeze44]

I'd trade DLO for everybody except Lowry. Big surprise, I know.

I'm excited about what we might get from DLO next season. However, I only mentioned who I wouldn't trade DLO for, namely Kyrie. I wouldn't trade him for Lowry or Westbrook. I might trade him for Simmons, but it would depend on knowing more about Ben's back and state of mind. Otherwise, I'd trade him for anyone else on that list.

I agree on Lowry and Westbrook, but I wouldn't hesitate one second to trade him for either Irving or Simmons. I would not trade Russell for Giddey.

This list unfortunately shows why TC was not able to move DLo this summer. It was widely rumored that finding a deal for Russell was a high priority this off-season, but I think TC might have been disappointed to learn how low he was valued around the league. While many of us here appreciate some forward progress DLo made last season and value the contributions he made to a successful season, he is ranked behind every top 25 PG except Josh "can't shoot" Giddey and Kyle "Rocking Chair" Lowry. By the way, even though I would not trade a 26 year old DLo for a 36 year old Lowry, I would rank Lowry ahead of DLo based on his superior season last year.

Despite DLo's low ranking around the association, I continue to be excited about the Wolves' prospects this year. "Good DLo" could be a nice supporting piece to a 55-win season, and I trust Finchie to replace him with J-Mac whenever "Bad DLo" makes an appearance.

"It was widely rumored that finding a deal for Russell was a high priority this off-season,"

It like to see the reports about this.

Yeah, you won't find those reports because they don't actually exist. That statement specifically represents wishful thinking from those that wanted D'Angelo Russell removed from this roster, and because they didn't get their way they'll now say that nobody wanted Russell, including Minnesota. Funny, how that happens.

What we did see was continuous speculation about Russell's availability. Multiple reporters -- namely, Jon Krawczynski, Marc Stein, and Jake Fischer -- noted that other teams expected the Timberwolves to trade Russell this summer.

We also saw Dane Moore, who's typically not a Russell fan, throw out an oddly-worded tweet that made him appear in the know, but in reality the tweet meant very little.

"I've been saying for the past month that I've heard it is over a 50% chance that D'Angelo Russell is traded this offseason.

Conversations with a few non-Timberwolves sources today suggest a Russell trade is now even more likely -- either tonight or the first week of July."

The truth of the matter is that Russell was likely included in trade talks as this new front office gauged the market value of a number of their players -- as any responsible organization would. However, the sentiment that moving Russell was a "high priority" this off-season is a fabrication. It's just poorly-supported rhetoric from those that don't appreciate Russell on this team and what he's able to do as a scorer and facilitator.

I speculated before the offseason that he would be tough to move due to his low value around the league. Gotta be fair Cam. I went so far as to say Rosas would continue to be the head idiot until someone gave up something of real value for Russell. Well, we're still waiting for that and I'm not holding my breath.

[Camden [enjin:6601484]]

I speculated before the offseason that he would be tough to move due to his low value around the league. Gotta be fair Cam. I went so far as to say Rosas would continue to be the head idiot until someone gave up something of real value for Russell. Well, we're still waiting for that and I'm not holding my breath.

Ahh, right. The "head idiot" nonsense. Rather than simply accept that the Timberwolves actually valued D'Angelo Russell for what he contributed last season -- and what they believe he'll produce moving forward with a roster that better suits him -- we're instead choosing to speculate that it was a "high priority" to move him and that his value was so low that Minnesota was unable to do so. Good call.

And if Tim Connelly extends or re-signs Russell, then what? What will the spin be?

[Coolbreeze44]

I speculated before the offseason that he would be tough to move due to his low value around the league. Gotta be fair Cam. I went so far as to say Rosas would continue to be the head idiot until someone gave up something of real value for Russell. Well, we're still waiting for that and I'm not holding my breath.

Ahh, right. The "head idiot" nonsense. Rather than simply accept that the Timberwolves actually valued D'Angelo Russell for what he contributed last season -- and what they believe he'll produce moving forward with a roster that better suits him -- we're instead choosing to speculate that it was a "high priority" to move him and that his value was so low that Minnesota was unable to do so. Good call.

And if Tim Connelly extends or re-signs Russell, then what? What will the spin be?

I speculated before the offseason that he would be tough to move due to his low value around the league. Gotta be fair Cam. I went so far as to say Rosas would continue to be the head idiot until someone gave up something of real value for Russell. Well, we're still waiting for that and I'm not holding my breath.

Ahh, right. The "head idiot" nonsense. Rather than simply accept that the Timberwolves actually valued D'Angelo Russell for what he contributed last season -- and what they believe he'll produce moving forward with a roster that better suits him -- we're instead choosing to speculate that it was a "high priority" to move him and that his value was so low that Minnesota was unable to do so. Good call.

And if Tim Connelly extends or re-signs Russell, then what? What will the spin be?

Not sure if it was a "high" priority to move him, but he was shopped, not much to argue about there. So I can't "simply accept" that we actually valued him for what he contributed last year. it's clear to me at least they wanted an upgrade and couldn't find any takers.

I don't think anyone in this thread is spinning anything other than you. And by the way, I'm picking up on all the sarcasm. Stay classy.

[Coolbreeze44]

I speculated before the offseason that he would be tough to move due to his low value around the league. Gotta be fair Cam. I went so far as to say Rosas would continue to be the head idiot until someone gave up something of real value for Russell. Well, we're still waiting for that and I'm not holding my breath.

Ahh, right. The "head idiot" nonsense. Rather than simply accept that the Timberwolves actually valued D'Angelo Russell for what he contributed last season -- and what they believe he'll produce moving forward with a roster that better suits him -- we're instead choosing to speculate that it was a "high priority" to move him and that his value was so low that Minnesota was unable to do so. Good call.

And if Tim Connelly extends or re-signs Russell, then what? What will the spin be?

The 23rd point guard out of 25! We've all read 100's of posts from you repeating how great DLO is. Does anything ever sink in with you? Of course your goal posts move slightly to avoid worse embarrassment, but at best he's in the back half of starting point guards in the league. Certainly not worth all the shine you give him on a near constant basis. Just please give it a break for a while.

[Camden [enjin:6601484]]

Not sure if it was a "high" priority to move him, but he was shopped, not much to argue about there. So I can't "simply accept" that we actually valued him for what he contributed last year. it's clear to me at least they wanted an upgrade and couldn't find any takers.

I don't think anyone in this thread is spinning anything other than you. And by the way, I'm picking up on all the sarcasm. Stay classy.

It's clear that Minnesota surveyed the league to upgrade their roster in a significant way. In doing so, they likely gauged the market value of D'Angelo Russell and then assessed what would be worth moving him for. Obviously, they didn't reach any deal there and, as far as we know, they weren't even close. Is that because they "couldn't find any takers" as you've put it, or that they didn't deem a potential return as worth it? In the latter case, that would indicate that they indeed do value Russell -- certainly a lot more than some posters here do, including yourself.

Furthermore, is it that Minnesota "couldn't find any takers" or that there were very few upgrades actually available, which is what I've been saying practically the entire off-season. Nearly every time I asked this board what the plan would be at point guard I heard crickets. That's not because this board lacks creative thinkers, but because the options were legitimately slim to none in that regard.