Rose "bashes" Towns in his new book

[crazy-canuck [enjin:18955461]]

I think kats whiney attitude just irks people (players and refs) the wrong way.

[Lipoli390]

I think people are reading far too much into Rose's comments. He was just explaining why Butler got so pissy. And as we suspected, Rose confirmed that it was about the money - specifically, the Wolves giving Towns a max deal last summer while simultaneously putting Butler off until the the following summer.

So why mention Towns and not Wiggins? Well, because it was KAT who got the max deal at the same time Butler wanted a new deal from the Wolves. Wiggins got his max deal before Jimmy had helped elevate the Wolves from 31 wins to 47 wings. There was no reason for Rose to reach back and gratuitously mention Wiggins as well. Rose mentioned that Towns is cool and good. I suspect that he would have used the word good in reference to Wiggins - which may be part of why he didn't mention him.

Butler got jealous that the young emerging star, KAT, was getting taken care of last summer at the same time the organization rebuffed Butler's efforts to get a new contract. As a veteran and Jimmy's former teammate with the Bulls, it's not surprising that Rose would defend Jimmy. But at the same time, Rose criticized Jimmy for going about it the wrong way. And even more importantly, Rose properly pointed his finger at the League, rather than KAT, for setting up a system that often rewards young emerging stars prematurely over veterans.

As for other veterans criticizing KAT, I don't see KAT getting singled out more than other young players. There's way too much drama being concocted or imagined over Towns. I think he gets criticized more than he should by people on this message board given what he contributes not just offensively but as a rebounder. But that's fine. That's what message boards are for - to allow different opinions including those that are hyper critical. But let's not get caught up in some imagined drama that Rose doesn't like Towns. Rose doesn't like young players getting prematurely paid and pampered. Of course, Rose was one of those pampered players back in the day.

You mean back when he was the MVP of the league on the best team in the Eastern Conference ahead of Lebron in his prime? Those days? They invented a new salary exception because he was so good on his rookie deal. Towns just isn't near that level. So the pampering is more of a problem in our situation. How many vets on this team need to bring up the same issue of crowning him before he earned it before it's clear it was a problem and could be a problem moving forward when we need to get a star teammate to pair with him? Who are these other cornerstone players being called out by multiple teammates for getting crowned too early?

No. I mean the days before the NBA when he was getting cash and had people taking tests for him in college and before that leading up to college. All these young stars get pampered for years growing up. And some of them (not Rose) get max contracts without carrying their teams very far. KAT is one example. Anthony Davis is another. Rose deserved his big contract, but then he had a hard time staying on the court while getting paid. Is that fair? Probably not, but that's the League and I'm glad Rose got that contract. I'm a huge Derrick Rose fan and I actually agree with his criticism of the League. I certainly never suggested that Towns was at Rose's level as a young player. But I will say that Towns has been FAR more durable. In any event, it's silly to think I was comparing KAT to Rose. The point of my post was that what Rose said wasn't a big deal and is getting blown way out of proportion.

As for multiple teammates calling out KAT, I count one - Jimmy Butler. And Jimmy was motivated by jealousy. Yes, there is no way the Wolves would have made the playoffs the previous season without Butler. But no way they would have made it without KAT either. I don't consider what Rose said "calling out KAT." He was explaining Butler's reasons for acting out and wanting to leave. And he was defending his old buddy Butler. No surprise there. And what he said about the League - remember he blamed the League - is true.

There isn't a team in the League that wouldn't have given KAT a max deal based on his performance. KAT hasn't been pampered. He's being paid based on market value under the League's salary structure. KAT didn't miss a single game in over 3 years until he was hit by a car and held out on the League's concussion protocol. He works his ass off every game getting pounded by the League's biggest and strongest players; yet he puts up exceptional scoring and rebounding numbers game after game. I don't see how he's pampered. As Wolves fans we're extraordinarily lucky to have him on this team and locked up on a 5-year deal. The Wolves have done only four things right over their 30 year history. One was drafting KG. Two was re-signing KG to that huge League-altering deal. Three was drafting KAT. And four was signing KAT to his current max extension. There are a lot of things about the Wolves to be concerned about. KAT isn't one of them. Finding another all star caliber player of similar vintage is the team's biggest problem. Figuring out what to do with Wiggins is another. The list goes on.

[Wolvesfan21]

Considering Jimmy blew up two teams, I just can't agree with his side, especially not knowing the full story. The only reason he didn't blow up the sixers was it was his last chance to get a big max deal. He couldn't. 3 strikes and he was out.

Not to mention, he's really not that great (of max players). If Jimmy is your best player, you certainly will never win an NBA Title. He's also on the wrong side of his prime and misses games. He will decline quickly in the next few years. Unless he pairs up with LeBron or Durant type, he can just forget about winning it all. I guess if Embiid and Simmons continue to improve they could carry him. But then again, back to point 1, Embiid is already a better player.

[Lipoli390]

I think kats whiney attitude just irks people (players and refs) the wrong way.

I'd like to know what players don't constantly whine. I think some Wolves fans are far too whiny about KAT. Yes, KAT needs to tone it down when it comes to the refs. Eventually he will. He already started improving in that area last season. Meanwhile, just enjoy the fact that we have an elite albeit imperfect player on this team. He's only the second one in this team's history. If I were KAT reading some of these posts, I'd just say F-you and go to a bigger market in a more interesting city in a warmer climate with a good front office and more talented teammates. AD is whining about staying in New Orleans and demanding a trade. In contrast, KAT talks about staying here and making this work. I'll take that any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

[crazy-canuck [enjin:18955461]]

I think kats whiney attitude just irks people (players and refs) the wrong way.

I'd like to know what players don't constantly whine. I think some Wolves fans are far too whiny about KAT. Yes, KAT needs to tone it down when it comes to the refs. Eventually he will. He already started improving in that area last season. Meanwhile, just enjoy the fact that we have an elite albeit imperfect player on this team. He's only the second one in this team's history. If I were KAT reading some of these posts, I'd just say F-you and go to a bigger market in a more interesting city in a warmer climate with a good front office and more talented teammates. AD is whining about staying in New Orleans and demanding a trade. In contrast, KAT talks about staying here and making this work. I'll take that any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

I think it might have been Lowe that mentioned how kats personality( on court) influenced the votes of some of people for all NBA.

He's whiney on the court, even kats own father would admit to that. No one is talking about him being a bad person and no one is calling him a bad player, they are talking about his demeanor on the court.

[WildWolf2813]

i read the comments and listened to SKOR North and heard their take:

I think Wiggins is implied in these comments also about players being spoiled. Rose is spot on and Butler was spot on even though he handled it wrong. Glen Taylor gave Andrew Wiggins $150 mil based essentially on a PINKIE SWEAR! A damn scout's honor. Since the extension, we've received two straight seasons of Wiggins saying "this season wasn't my best." I'd be pissed too if I were Butler. That said, regarding Towns, like Rose said, that's the league now. I've said this so many times: Jimmy Butler won in the court of public opinion convincingly against Towns and Wiggins and that's gonna have major ramifications on who wants to join Towns on this team.


The comment that intrigued me was Thibs talking to Rose about playing time

On arriving with the Wolves and then-coach Tom Thibodeau late in their 2017-18 playoff season after being bought out by Utah following a trade from Cleveland, Rose writes: "With Minnesota, Thibs was honest. Even when he didn't play me when I first got there, he was just telling me, 'They have certain people here, they feel like they need to play certain people.' He was just telling me to stick with him. I stuck with him and he looked out for me. That's one of the reasons I stuck with him and wanted to come back."

Call me crazy, I think Thibs was alluding to Tyus Jones because let's be honest, he never really liked Jones. Remember how Jones was ready to request a trade and then Thibs talked him out of it promising him a new role only to jerk his PT again? I think Thibs felt Jones was forced on him from higher ups, and since Thibs ran the show, the higher-up had to be Glen because he has a soft spot for Jones. It's eerily similar to Rosas' coaching search where he has supposedly carte blanche to do whatever, but you have Glen kinda nudging Ryan Saunders on Rosas.

[KG4Ever]

A quote from Rose's new book.

"Nothing against Karl Anthony Towns, he's cool -- and he's good. But you get kids these days that you spoil them before they achieve anything"

Really stupid thread and I just don't see this as "bashing" Towns without reading in stuff that isn't said.

[Lipoli390]

i read the comments and listened to SKOR North and heard their take:

I think Wiggins is implied in these comments also about players being spoiled. Rose is spot on and Butler was spot on even though he handled it wrong. Glen Taylor gave Andrew Wiggins $150 mil based essentially on a PINKIE SWEAR! A damn scout's honor. Since the extension, we've received two straight seasons of Wiggins saying "this season wasn't my best." I'd be pissed too if I were Butler. That said, regarding Towns, like Rose said, that's the league now. I've said this so many times: Jimmy Butler won in the court of public opinion convincingly against Towns and Wiggins and that's gonna have major ramifications on who wants to join Towns on this team.


The comment that intrigued me was Thibs talking to Rose about playing time

On arriving with the Wolves and then-coach Tom Thibodeau late in their 2017-18 playoff season after being bought out by Utah following a trade from Cleveland, Rose writes: "With Minnesota, Thibs was honest. Even when he didn't play me when I first got there, he was just telling me, 'They have certain people here, they feel like they need to play certain people.' He was just telling me to stick with him. I stuck with him and he looked out for me. That's one of the reasons I stuck with him and wanted to come back."

Call me crazy, I think Thibs was alluding to Tyus Jones because let's be honest, he never really liked Jones. Remember how Jones was ready to request a trade and then Thibs talked him out of it promising him a new role only to jerk his PT again? I think Thibs felt Jones was forced on him from higher ups, and since Thibs ran the show, the higher-up had to be Glen because he has a soft spot for Jones. It's eerily similar to Rosas' coaching search where he has supposedly carte blanche to do whatever, but you have Glen kinda nudging Ryan Saunders on Rosas.

Thibodeau is a punk. He through his boss under the bus to appease his boy Derrick Rose. Thibodeau to Rose: "Oh Derrick, I'm so sorry. They won't let me play you as much as you know I'd like. Just wanted you to know it's not my fault."

When Rose arrived here late in the 2017-18, he had been averaging only 19 minutes and played only 16 games with the Cavs. He didn't arrive here as a guy getting lots of minutes who could be counted on. Ultimately, Rose averaged 12.4 minutes in the 9 games he played here. Tyus only averaged 18 minutes per game that season and I'm not sure how many many minutes he averaged after Rose joined the team. The next season, Rose averaged 27.3 minutes - apparently in spite of Glen making things so difficult for Thibodeau to do what he wanted. That's more minutes than Tyus got and it's significantly more than he got from his prior team, the Cavs. So much for Glen's interference.

To the extent Glen encouraged Thibodeau to play Tyus Jones, that's exactly what Glen should have done. Playing the 22 year old Jones and other younger players made because that's how you develop them. And Rose simply wasn't going to be part of the future for this team once Butler made it clear he wanted out. Rose shouldn't have been here in the first place once it was clear that Butler wasn't going to stay. Glen Taylor made the right call telling Thibodeau to play the younger guys over the guy, Rose, who couldn't possibly be considered part of the team's future. If Glen had hired a good PBO rather than stupidly giving that position to Thibodeau, the PBO would have told Thibodeau the same thing. Actually a good PBO wouldn't have hired Thibodeau in the first place. As for Rose, Glen Taylor paid his salary when no other team wanted him. I wish Derrick the best. As for Thibodeau, if he ever gets another chance to be both head coach and PBO, he should understand that he's accountable to the owner who pays him and should accept the responsibility that goes with his position - and that means not saying "poor me, the owner made me do it." That may or may not be honest. But honest or not, it's being a punk.