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Re: Taylor Speaks!
Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2017 1:21 pm
by Monster
lipoli390 wrote:monsterpile wrote:Maybe when the interview was done Glen made it sound to the person writing this like they were really looking at trading the pick but that quote he really didn't say anything. Basically all he said was they are looking at all options to improve the entire roster and it seemed more I respect to the whole offseason not just the draft. He didn't reveal anything more than Thibs would. Some people will probably be encouraged to hear that Glen and Thibs and Layden don't think the guy they pick at 7 is gonna help a lot this season.
Glen confirmed they had a doctor basically say Pek isn't healthy to play and now are waiting for the NBA doctor to do the same.
He also doesn't know where the Rubio trade rumors are coming from.
You're right about what Glen seems to have actually said. But he shouldn't be telling the world that our front office is considering trading our #7 pick for a player. I'm sure most NBA teams assume that's happening, but you want to keep them guessing for maximum leverage. When an owner says he just talked to our front office execs and then says they're considering such a trade scenario it carries a lot of weight and suggests (probably correctly) that our front office would prefer to trade the pick for a vet. And Glen didn't just mention that scenario as being considered, he went on to suggest a level of impatience that I don't think Thibs and Layden would want the rest of the NBA to know.
If I were the owner, I'd want to publicly convey a sense of patience. I'd also want to help create a narrative that we expect to improve in the short term through free agency and that we'd prefer to augment our long term talent by keeping the 7th pick. I've negotiated a lot of major deals over my career and even though the other side often has a sense of what you want or are willing to do, they never know for sure and you always benefit to the extent you can get them to question their assumptions. That's why I give a lot of credit to Thibs and Layden for keeping such a tight grip on information. In one short interview, Glen Taylor undermined that effort. He really is an idiot.
I personally really didn't read into what he said that deeply when it came to what they would do with the pick. Honestly I don't think he gave anything significant away. I really do appreciate your perspective and expertise though. I've negotiated some sweeeet deals on Craigslist! Lol
I think what makes Glen a "doofus" more than anything is I don't think he really has a desire to talk to anyone it's more him being nice because people call and he knows as an owner he shouldn't he a recluse (and he isn't but he isn't really a big spotlight guy he doesn't even want to rep his team at the lottery) and so he agrees to talk and then sometimes things don't come out right.
Re: Taylor Speaks!
Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2017 10:55 pm
by mrhockey89
I tend to see it as monster does with Glen. I do think sometimes Glen says too much, but I don't think what he said about looking at the draft would hurt our leverage. Now...if he had said something to the extent that we WILL trade down for a player and pick, then that would be a bit different I think, because it'd be essentially saying we'll be trading it either way, to the highest bidder. But the way he phrased it this time, is that we might prefer to trade it if we can get the right veteran and pick. I don't think that Thib is just doing a fire sale on the pick. If we can't get what we need, he'll stand pat, I think.
We will see what happens soon!
Re: Taylor Speaks!
Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 1:21 am
by Lipoli390
mrhockey89 wrote:I tend to see it as monster does with Glen. I do think sometimes Glen says too much, but I don't think what he said about looking at the draft would hurt our leverage. Now...if he had said something to the extent that we WILL trade down for a player and pick, then that would be a bit different I think, because it'd be essentially saying we'll be trading it either way, to the highest bidder. But the way he phrased it this time, is that we might prefer to trade it if we can get the right veteran and pick. I don't think that Thib is just doing a fire sale on the pick. If we can't get what we need, he'll stand pat, I think.
We will see what happens soon!
I agree that Taylor's comments probably don't seriously hurt the Wolves leverage, assuming that Thibs sets his price and sticks to it. My point is that Taylor could help if he had a spread of savvy. But he doesn't and, therefore, he should really just keep quiet.
The more interesting and significant part of the article was the discussion of Isaac's physical issues, especially his foot issues in high school. Interesting that Taylor went out of his way to complain about agents blocking efforts to get medical information. Hmm. That seems more revealing than Taylor's generic reference a scenario under which the Wolves trade the pick. The good news is that Isaac's medical issues might cause him to drop to #7. The bad news is that, if he drops to us because of those issues, it would be risky for the Wolves to take him.
Re: Taylor Speaks!
Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 11:30 am
by Hicks123 [enjin:6700838]
Man, some people on here read WAYYYY to much into these things. So he said they will explore drafting a player, trading pick for player, or building via FA. WOW.....what an idiot for letting all the secrets out!!!! I get it, he has said/done some dumb things in the past, but the criticism for this interview is unwarranted. He literally said nothing of value for anyone.
Re: Taylor Speaks!
Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 11:45 am
by longstrangetrip [enjin:6600564]
Yeah, I think Glen's intelligence is vastly underrated on this board. Sure, his Mankato country bumpkinness is often on display, but he also has used that to his advantage in business. I don't know about you guys, but I haven't met too many sell-made billionaire dummies.
Re: Taylor Speaks!
Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 1:24 pm
by 60WinTim
Yeah, I don't think his comments are controversial at all. I posted the article because there are some noteworthy items, and our current FO doesn't say a damn thing.
On the "trading #7", Taylor does not even infer they might trade #7. His only comment on #7 is that Thibs does not expect the player taken at #7 to make an immediate impact. Which is why a FA or trade is likely this off-season.
The noteworthy items for me were:
1) The Pek medical retirement is in process and just waiting for an NBA doctor's confirmation.
2) He was told the top reasons for the poor season was Zach's injury, Bjelica's injury, and "the team's inconsistent and often inadequate defense".
3) Glen's understanding from Thibs of the team's biggest need for development is "a defensive stopper who will limit the opposition's best scorer".
4) Glen does not know where the Rubio rumors are coming from. For me, this helps confirm that Rubio will be our starting PG next season.
Re: Taylor Speaks!
Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 1:28 pm
by MinneapolisMatt [enjin:18416495]
I agree with all of this post.
#3 is the most important in my eyes, as it shows the focus on a wing over a PF in free agency.
This most likely effects our Draft as well, meaning we are more likely to take a PF than we would otherwise be.
Re: Taylor Speaks!
Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 1:40 pm
by thedoper
I don't think there was anything controversial about what he said. I would just rather there be a rule in place that when he talks about the Wolves, it is nothing basketball related. Because time and again, he has shown his participation in the basketball side of things to be solely detrimental. Because a person has an expertise in greeting cards and souvenirs for old ladies doesn't mean their intelligence is translated to professional sports.
Re: Taylor Speaks!
Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 3:09 pm
by Hicks123 [enjin:6700838]
thedoper wrote:I don't think there was anything controversial about what he said. I would just rather there be a rule in place that when he talks about the Wolves, it is nothing basketball related. Because time and again, he has shown his participation in the basketball side of things to be solely detrimental. Because a person has an expertise in greeting cards and souvenirs for old ladies doesn't mean their intelligence is translated to professional sports.
I hear this a lot. Can you give an example? I truly don't really pay attention to him, so just curious as this is a common perception on this board.
Re: Taylor Speaks!
Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 4:00 pm
by BloopOracle
Hicks123 wrote:thedoper wrote:I don't think there was anything controversial about what he said. I would just rather there be a rule in place that when he talks about the Wolves, it is nothing basketball related. Because time and again, he has shown his participation in the basketball side of things to be solely detrimental. Because a person has an expertise in greeting cards and souvenirs for old ladies doesn't mean their intelligence is translated to professional sports.
I hear this a lot. Can you give an example? I truly don't really pay attention to him, so just curious as this is a common perception on this board.
Joe Smith's contract, claiming Garnett was tanking it for us at the end meanwhile we're sending out Mark Madsen to shoot 3's, claiming that Love isn't a star because he hadn't brought us to the playoffs yet angering our best player just off the top of my head. I believe he has some dumbass comments about Sam Cassel as well I would have to look it up.