Final Pre-Deadline Trade Proposals

[thedoper]

You know who would be the perfect compliment to KAT? Draymond Green. Just from a playing perspective. Draymond would tear KAT a new one and he'd sulk on end. But in a totally hypothetical scenario I could see the Warriors not want to give Green the max out of some sort of cute "light years ahead" move. They dont have Jerry West anymore which I think weakens their decision making. Im not even personally sure a max for Green is smart for any team, but if we're talking trying to form a perfect team around KAT to strengthen both sides of the ball Draymond is the guy to really exhaust options with KAT. Plus i hate Draymond so much that i know I'd love him if he played on the team I was cheering for.

[D-Mac [enjin:19736340]]

You know who would be the perfect compliment to KAT? Draymond Green. Just from a playing perspective. Draymond would tear KAT a new one and he'd sulk on end. But in a totally hypothetical scenario I could see the Warriors not want to give Green the max out of some sort of cute "light years ahead" move. They dont have Jerry West anymore which I think weakens their decision making. Im not even personally sure a max for Green is smart for any team, but if we're talking trying to form a perfect team around KAT to strengthen both sides of the ball Draymond is the guy to really exhaust options with KAT. Plus i hate Draymond so much that i know I'd love him if he played on the team I was cheering for.

Yeah, theoretically in player type it would be a perfect match, but in personalities, we'd likely get the same result we got with butler.

[thedoper]

You know who would be the perfect compliment to KAT? Draymond Green. Just from a playing perspective. Draymond would tear KAT a new one and he'd sulk on end. But in a totally hypothetical scenario I could see the Warriors not want to give Green the max out of some sort of cute "light years ahead" move. They dont have Jerry West anymore which I think weakens their decision making. Im not even personally sure a max for Green is smart for any team, but if we're talking trying to form a perfect team around KAT to strengthen both sides of the ball Draymond is the guy to really exhaust options with KAT. Plus i hate Draymond so much that i know I'd love him if he played on the team I was cheering for.

Yeah, theoretically in player type it would be a perfect match, but in personalities, we'd likely get the same result we got with butler.

At this point I dont think KAT deserves to have his fragile ego accounted for. He pouted until Jimmy was out and now that he's gone he hasn't done anything to improve his play. I dont think we're getting Draymond, but if KAT really wants to be a winner he's going to have to learn to hold his own with other alphas.

[Wolvesfan21]

I don't like the idea of building around a flawed player. If your foundation is flawed I don't know how you end up with a contender. KAT would be a great #2 but in my opinion the plan can't rely on him being your centerpiece. A rebuild effort will fail under those circumstances. You must find a true alpha and go from there. If that means KAT gets sacrificed to find it, so be it.

I disagree. I think a Beal + KAT combo and quality players around could be good enough. Or I think you are rolling the dice in the draft for the next couple years looking to hit that one guy. KAT isn't flawed as much as every player around him. I get his defensive issues, but I think if the team was good that he would actually focus on that much more. Winning breeds winning, tanking breeds losing.

KAT could easily be a top 5 player in the league with a solid defense. I'm not at all in favor of trading him for the next 3 seasons at least, besides, you can't get anyone worth equal value anyways. Who do you think would trade with us for KAT that would make us a contender?

I don't think Beal/towns would ever contend. If you want to just make the playoffs for the next 4 years then sure.

My preference would be to trade everyone who can bring positive value and go for the non flawed player to build around. If that's a perimeter player, defense isn't as important, but it's a must if you're building around a big.

Also, kat is in year 5 and I think he's shown that he's not going to be a top 5 two way player (and that's what top 5 player means to me). Top 5 on offense, sure

And to answer your question, if we're trading kat, the plan clearly isn't to contend right away.

There are about 3 non flawed players in the league. Even Doncic is lackluster on defense. Yes, whoever has Giannis, LeBron or Kawhi will likely have the best chance to win. Maybe throw in a healthy Durant but I doubt it with his lackluster defense too.

So sure I would love a "non flawed" player. LeBron has his flaws too in the last several years when he has been taking defense off. But maybe the players they have now have helped him enough. They actually play 2 bigs at a time!

Really only Kawhi and Giannis are non flawed. I can tear down any other player and find holes in their game or mentality.

Other then that it would likely depend on the other guys. If you had Beal and KAT plus some above avg starters, who knows. Keep in mind, the Wolves can and have played great defense with KAT before, I seriously think tanking is a big factor as to why he doesn't put in the full effort on that end.

[WildWolf2813]

Let's be honest with ourselves. We're not much better than the Wizards are. If you think they'll trade Beal for Wiggins, 2 firsts (which Charlotte would never offer) and a bunch of 2's, then on Washington's end they'd probably think it would cost them Wall, a couple of firsts and a couple of 2's to go with say, Troy Brown to get Towns. Any team with Wiggins and Wall together is a financial death blow. You couldn't start over until those deals were up.


I stand by the offer I made in the Covington trade thread. Otherwise I let things play out before I assess what I need. Now if anyone wants Wiggins, awesome but he wouldn't be here if someone did. I'd go full youth movement and if that means Wiggins plays less so be it.

Most importantly I need Towns to play like he'd play if we got him a star because we could get prime KD on this team and it won't matter if Towns is playing the way he is. Max contracts = max accountability and it's time for this team to ask that of them on the court.

[thedoper]

Let's be honest with ourselves. We're not much better than the Wizards are. If you think they'll trade Beal for Wiggins, 2 firsts (which Charlotte would never offer) and a bunch of 2's, then on Washington's end they'd probably think it would cost them Wall, a couple of firsts and a couple of 2's to go with say, Troy Brown to get Towns. Any team with Wiggins and Wall together is a financial death blow. You couldn't start over until those deals were up.


I stand by the offer I made in the Covington trade thread. Otherwise I let things play out before I assess what I need. Now if anyone wants Wiggins, awesome but he wouldn't be here if someone did. I'd go full youth movement and if that means Wiggins plays less so be it.

Most importantly I need Towns to play like he'd play if we got him a star because we could get prime KD on this team and it won't matter if Towns is playing the way he is. Max contracts = max accountability and it's time for this team to ask that of them on the court.

I agree with that logic. You got to get expirings and draft picks to get Beal. If you move Wiggins out as part of the deal we would probably have to take wall too.

[Wolvesfan21]

Wall is untradeable. He makes 40 million I think which is 12 more then KAT! And he might not even play in another game. If he does he will be slower and older and wasn't that good to begin with. Just checked, yes almost 40, he'll be scheduled to make 47 million in 3 years and he'll be 32 and crippled.

Walls value is Negative 4 first round picks I think. Which means you take on Wall and you get 4 firsts from them too. Then you got to match salaries, so it's simply impossible.

Wiggins I think is net neutral compared to his salary maybe slightly negative.

Beal is a borderline All Star but I think some overrate him a bit. He's far better then WIggins but it's not a huge margin like having to take on a disaster like Wall. Wiggins isn't really that bad, he is just overpaid a bit and lacks motivation night in and out. Beal is more consistent.

[D-Mac [enjin:19736340]]

I don't like the idea of building around a flawed player. If your foundation is flawed I don't know how you end up with a contender. KAT would be a great #2 but in my opinion the plan can't rely on him being your centerpiece. A rebuild effort will fail under those circumstances. You must find a true alpha and go from there. If that means KAT gets sacrificed to find it, so be it.

I disagree. I think a Beal + KAT combo and quality players around could be good enough. Or I think you are rolling the dice in the draft for the next couple years looking to hit that one guy. KAT isn't flawed as much as every player around him. I get his defensive issues, but I think if the team was good that he would actually focus on that much more. Winning breeds winning, tanking breeds losing.

KAT could easily be a top 5 player in the league with a solid defense. I'm not at all in favor of trading him for the next 3 seasons at least, besides, you can't get anyone worth equal value anyways. Who do you think would trade with us for KAT that would make us a contender?

I don't think Beal/towns would ever contend. If you want to just make the playoffs for the next 4 years then sure.

My preference would be to trade everyone who can bring positive value and go for the non flawed player to build around. If that's a perimeter player, defense isn't as important, but it's a must if you're building around a big.

Also, kat is in year 5 and I think he's shown that he's not going to be a top 5 two way player (and that's what top 5 player means to me). Top 5 on offense, sure

And to answer your question, if we're trading kat, the plan clearly isn't to contend right away.

There are about 3 non flawed players in the league. Even Doncic is lackluster on defense. Yes, whoever has Giannis, LeBron or Kawhi will likely have the best chance to win. Maybe throw in a healthy Durant but I doubt it with his lackluster defense too.

So sure I would love a "non flawed" player. LeBron has his flaws too in the last several years when he has been taking defense off. But maybe the players they have now have helped him enough. They actually play 2 bigs at a time!

Really only Kawhi and Giannis are non flawed. I can tear down any other player and find holes in their game or mentality.

Other then that it would likely depend on the other guys. If you had Beal and KAT plus some above avg starters, who knows. Keep in mind, the Wolves can and have played great defense with KAT before, I seriously think tanking is a big factor as to why he doesn't put in the full effort on that end.

Is doncic a starting big that can't defend?

[Coolbreeze44]

There is a difference between being flawed and absolutely useless on one end of the floor.

[D-Mac [enjin:19736340]]

There is a difference between being flawed and absolutely useless on one end of the floor.

Exactly!