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Wasn't Lebron recorded as the slowest person in the playoffs based on average movement?

longstrangetrip wrote:

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

khans2k5 wrote:

bleedspeed177 wrote:I read the Rubio section and couldn't read the Wiggins section. Lets hope this Butler mess is the darkness before the dawn and not the darkness before the next storm.

Lol Wiggins may need to call the burn unit after this one. Lowe absolutely toasted him. Brb checking for Wiggins twitter reply...

It's pretty interesting that we now have statistics to support the "no motor" argument with Wiggins.

We had the eye test. We had the plateauing, or even regression, of stats. To be fair, maybe we'll be told that Wiggins is being told to walk his way to go stand in the corner...

Would be interesting to see if that stat is consistent with prior seasons...

Yes, 4.8% "running fast" rate seems to be one of the most damning stats we have seen. I'd love to get some context though. Does anyone know where this stat comes from, and how he compares to other wings? LeBron James, for instance, actually walks 74.4% of the time! One thing LBJ and Wig have in common, of course, is that they both play considerably more MPG than their peers. That might be a reason they both have to pace themselves.

Apples and oranges. LeBron is in his mid-30s and carries a work rate bigger than any other player in the NBA. He paces himself to preserve energy and make it through the grueling playoffs. Wiggins is a decade younger, doesn't carry nearly the same work load, and doesn't play as many games.

While any one given stat can be misleading, the reality is there is a pile of them that demonstrate Wiggins' issues with motor. None of this is new, as this issue has been known since he was in college.

His path to success is to start making his damn shots. He'll never be a Pippen/Marion/Jordan type athlete that flies around the court and disrupts things, even though he has all the physical tools to do it.

What I took away from the article is that one coaching staff is looking at player strengths and detailing their offense around them, while the other is trying to pound a square peg into a round hole.

sjm34 wrote:What I took away from the article is that one coaching staff is looking at player strengths and detailing their offense around them, while the other is trying to pound a square peg into a round hole.

I wouldn't say that Snyder's offense is tailored to Rubio, but it is certainly a more nuanced and appealing brand of offense. It helps that he has three play makers in Mitchell, Rubio, and Ingles. All three know how to run a pick and roll. I think what Snyder did do that was smart was give Rubio a vote of confidence. Gee, can you imagine a coach that understands player psychology!?

Q12543 wrote:

sjm34 wrote:What I took away from the article is that one coaching staff is looking at player strengths and detailing their offense around them, while the other is trying to pound a square peg into a round hole.

I wouldn't say that Snyder's offense is tailored to Rubio, but it is certainly a more nuanced and appealing brand of offense. It helps that he has three play makers in Mitchell, Rubio, and Ingles. All three know how to run a pick and roll. I think what Snyder did do that was smart was give Rubio a vote of confidence. Gee, can you imagine a coach that understands player psychology!?

I wasn't speaking specifically about Rubio either. Just that Snyder seems to taylor his offense to all of the players strengths rather than trying to fiorce them into his offense.

sjm34 wrote:

Q12543 wrote:

sjm34 wrote:What I took away from the article is that one coaching staff is looking at player strengths and detailing their offense around them, while the other is trying to pound a square peg into a round hole.

I wouldn't say that Snyder's offense is tailored to Rubio, but it is certainly a more nuanced and appealing brand of offense. It helps that he has three play makers in Mitchell, Rubio, and Ingles. All three know how to run a pick and roll. I think what Snyder did do that was smart was give Rubio a vote of confidence. Gee, can you imagine a coach that understands player psychology!?

I wasn't speaking specifically about Rubio either. Just that Snyder seems to taylor his offense to all of the players strengths rather than trying to fiorce them into his offense.

What a novel concept. Designing a team's strategy around the strenghts of its players. And bolstering the spirit and confidence of the players. If we can get word to Thibodeau before the season starts, everything will be fine. :)

lipoli390 wrote:
What a novel concept. Designing a team's strategy around the strengths of its players. And bolstering the spirit and confidence of the players. If we can get word to Thibodeau before the season starts, everything will be fine. :)

:-)

longstrangetrip wrote:

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

khans2k5 wrote:

bleedspeed177 wrote:I read the Rubio section and couldn't read the Wiggins section. Lets hope this Butler mess is the darkness before the dawn and not the darkness before the next storm.

Lol Wiggins may need to call the burn unit after this one. Lowe absolutely toasted him. Brb checking for Wiggins twitter reply...

It's pretty interesting that we now have statistics to support the "no motor" argument with Wiggins.

We had the eye test. We had the plateauing, or even regression, of stats. To be fair, maybe we'll be told that Wiggins is being told to walk his way to go stand in the corner...

Would be interesting to see if that stat is consistent with prior seasons...

Yes, 4.8% "running fast" rate seems to be one of the most damning stats we have seen. I'd love to get some context though. Does anyone know where this stat comes from, and how he compares to other wings? LeBron James, for instance, actually walks 74.4% of the time! One thing LBJ and Wig have in common, of course, is that they both play considerably more MPG than their peers. That might be a reason they both have to pace themselves.

Wiggins isn't good enough to get the playing time he gets. Maybe cutting it back would help everyone.

WildWolf2813 wrote:

longstrangetrip wrote:

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

khans2k5 wrote:

bleedspeed177 wrote:I read the Rubio section and couldn't read the Wiggins section. Lets hope this Butler mess is the darkness before the dawn and not the darkness before the next storm.

Lol Wiggins may need to call the burn unit after this one. Lowe absolutely toasted him. Brb checking for Wiggins twitter reply...

It's pretty interesting that we now have statistics to support the "no motor" argument with Wiggins.

We had the eye test. We had the plateauing, or even regression, of stats. To be fair, maybe we'll be told that Wiggins is being told to walk his way to go stand in the corner...

Would be interesting to see if that stat is consistent with prior seasons...

Yes, 4.8% "running fast" rate seems to be one of the most damning stats we have seen. I'd love to get some context though. Does anyone know where this stat comes from, and how he compares to other wings? LeBron James, for instance, actually walks 74.4% of the time! One thing LBJ and Wig have in common, of course, is that they both play considerably more MPG than their peers. That might be a reason they both have to pace themselves.

Wiggins isn't good enough to get the playing time he gets. Maybe cutting it back would help everyone.

Good enough, or willing enough? If he had the motor of a Butler/KG I think his D would be improved enough based simply upon effort to make him a strong net positive player.

TheSP wrote:

WildWolf2813 wrote:

longstrangetrip wrote:

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

khans2k5 wrote:

bleedspeed177 wrote:I read the Rubio section and couldn't read the Wiggins section. Lets hope this Butler mess is the darkness before the dawn and not the darkness before the next storm.

Lol Wiggins may need to call the burn unit after this one. Lowe absolutely toasted him. Brb checking for Wiggins twitter reply...

It's pretty interesting that we now have statistics to support the "no motor" argument with Wiggins.

We had the eye test. We had the plateauing, or even regression, of stats. To be fair, maybe we'll be told that Wiggins is being told to walk his way to go stand in the corner...

Would be interesting to see if that stat is consistent with prior seasons...

Yes, 4.8% "running fast" rate seems to be one of the most damning stats we have seen. I'd love to get some context though. Does anyone know where this stat comes from, and how he compares to other wings? LeBron James, for instance, actually walks 74.4% of the time! One thing LBJ and Wig have in common, of course, is that they both play considerably more MPG than their peers. That might be a reason they both have to pace themselves.

Wiggins isn't good enough to get the playing time he gets. Maybe cutting it back would help everyone.

Good enough, or willing enough? If he had the motor of a Butler/KG I think his D would be improved enough based simply upon effort to make him a strong net positive player.

TheSP wrote:

WildWolf2813 wrote:

longstrangetrip wrote:

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

khans2k5 wrote:

bleedspeed177 wrote:I read the Rubio section and couldn't read the Wiggins section. Lets hope this Butler mess is the darkness before the dawn and not the darkness before the next storm.

Lol Wiggins may need to call the burn unit after this one. Lowe absolutely toasted him. Brb checking for Wiggins twitter reply...

It's pretty interesting that we now have statistics to support the "no motor" argument with Wiggins.

We had the eye test. We had the plateauing, or even regression, of stats. To be fair, maybe we'll be told that Wiggins is being told to walk his way to go stand in the corner...

Would be interesting to see if that stat is consistent with prior seasons...

Yes, 4.8% "running fast" rate seems to be one of the most damning stats we have seen. I'd love to get some context though. Does anyone know where this stat comes from, and how he compares to other wings? LeBron James, for instance, actually walks 74.4% of the time! One thing LBJ and Wig have in common, of course, is that they both play considerably more MPG than their peers. That might be a reason they both have to pace themselves.

Wiggins isn't good enough to get the playing time he gets. Maybe cutting it back would help everyone.

Good enough, or willing enough? If he had the motor of a Butler/KG I think his D would be improved enough based simply upon effort to make him a strong net positive player.

If he's not gonna put forth the effort, the team shouldn't put forth the minutes for him to continue to disappoint.