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Yes, we need to be a better 3-point shooting team, but it seems to me that if we're ranked 10th in offensive efficiency and 27th in defensive efficiency then the priority for improvement is pretty obvious.

That being said, I really like the idea of going hard after Joe Ingles. He seems to be "the best of all worlds" option: He's a big wing that can start at SF. He's unselfish, defends, has above average handles, and is a very good 3-point shooter, even though it's not in mega-volume.

It seems like Utah is going to have their hands full this offseason. They need to try to retain Gordon Hayward, and if they don't, they need to find a scorer on the open market to help backfill him. They will also likely lose George Hill to free agency unless they give him a big pay day. And again, if he leaves, is Exum really they answer? They may need to go spend big money on a free agent PG or re-up Hill for big money.

So with all of that, how high are they willing to go to retain Ingles? And what other teams might target him?

Q12543 wrote:Yes, we need to be a better 3-point shooting team, but it seems to me that if we're ranked 10th in offensive efficiency and 27th in defensive efficiency then the priority for improvement is pretty obvious.

That being said, I really like the idea of going hard after Joe Ingles. He seems to be "the best of all worlds" option: He's a big wing that can start at SF. He's unselfish, defends, has above average handles, and is a very good 3-point shooter, even though it's not in mega-volume.

It seems like Utah is going to have their hands full this offseason. They need to try to retain Gordon Hayward, and if they don't, they need to find a scorer on the open market to help backfill him. They will also likely lose George Hill to free agency unless they give him a big pay day. And again, if he leaves, is Exum really they answer? They may need to go spend big money on a free agent PG or re-up Hill for big money.

So with all of that, how high are they willing to go to retain Ingles? And what other teams might target him?

I think he's as good as gone from Utah. UNLESS, his relationship with Hayward becomes a big part of their desire to keep him as a gift for Hayward.

How much money is he worth? Great question.

A 30-year-old coming off his best season of 7 / 3 / 3 with good shooting stats in a limited number of attempts. I have no idea.

The other non-UFA we haven't talked about much is Jared Dudley, who like Ingles, can shoot the 3 AND is a solid, if not spectacular, defender. We would have to trade something of value to get him, but he could start at SF and even slide to PF in small ball lineups.

So while the obvious wings to go after are UFAs like Gallo, Tucker, and Thabo, let's not forget about RFAs and potential trade targets. The list of decent fits expands quite a lot when you add in these other names.

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

Q12543 wrote:Yes, we need to be a better 3-point shooting team, but it seems to me that if we're ranked 10th in offensive efficiency and 27th in defensive efficiency then the priority for improvement is pretty obvious.

That being said, I really like the idea of going hard after Joe Ingles. He seems to be "the best of all worlds" option: He's a big wing that can start at SF. He's unselfish, defends, has above average handles, and is a very good 3-point shooter, even though it's not in mega-volume.

It seems like Utah is going to have their hands full this offseason. They need to try to retain Gordon Hayward, and if they don't, they need to find a scorer on the open market to help backfill him. They will also likely lose George Hill to free agency unless they give him a big pay day. And again, if he leaves, is Exum really they answer? They may need to go spend big money on a free agent PG or re-up Hill for big money.

So with all of that, how high are they willing to go to retain Ingles? And what other teams might target him?

I think he's as good as gone from Utah. UNLESS, his relationship with Hayward becomes a big part of their desire to keep him as a gift for Hayward.

How much money is he worth? Great question.

A 30-year-old coming off his best season of 7 / 3 / 3 with good shooting stats in a limited number of attempts. I have no idea.

Not sure how much he's worth, but the lack of eye-popping stats may be helps us in this regard. We don't need volume stat guys - we have that in spades. We need guys that make their team better and he does a bunch of good stuff without having to eat up possessions.

Q12543 wrote:The other non-UFA we haven't talked about much is Jared Dudley, who like Ingles, can shoot the 3 AND is a solid, if not spectacular, defender. We would have to trade something of value to get him, but he could start at SF and even slide to PF in small ball lineups.

So while the obvious wings to go after are UFAs like Gallo, Tucker, and Thabo, let's not forget about RFAs and potential trade targets. The list of decent fits expands quite a lot when you add in these other names.

That's the guy I've been mentioning!

I don't know if he'd cost that much. Phoenix might have different plans now than they did when they acquired him last summer...

I guess it's pretty obvious to me why our 3pt attempts are low. We don't have any traditional drive and kick guys who can score and we don't run a system of ball movement. You have to have one or the other and we have neither. Ricky can drive and kick, but is little threat to score and Wiggins can drive and score, but can't kick it out well. If you watch a team like the Rockets, most of their looks come off Harden driving and dishing to the perimeter and then maybe an additional pass or two is needed but the original drive and threat to score is what opened up the passing lane to the perimeter and he actually makes that pass. It's all about pressuring the defense inside the arc so they have to help and then actually being able to make that pass to the outside and be in the proper positions to move the ball and then actually shoot when you are open (Belly!). We just don't have almost any of that right now. Either Zach and Wiggins need to get to the bucket and pass out to the perimeter more or we need a system that naturally forces the defense to help and move the ball to open shooters.

I hesitant about Dudley because Phoenix could only find 20 mins for him. I just don't see how we're going to squeeze out some more value out of him when he couldn't find a meaningful role on a team that had less wings than we do. I assume he is going downhill in his athleticism at this point in his career. If the solution for this team is just a back up wing then lets go for it. I just think we need more.

thedoper wrote:I hesitant about Dudley because Phoenix could only find 20 mins for him. I just don't see how we're going to squeeze out some more value out of him when he couldn't find a meaningful role on a team that had less wings than we do. I assume he is going downhill in his athleticism at this point in his career. If the solution for this team is just a back up wing then lets go for it. I just think we need more.

But I don't really think we need another "full-time" wing. We need a bigger wing that can start halves OR play meaningful minutes off the bench, but to me it looks like 20-25 MPG once LaVine is back at full strength. That's why Tucker, Thabo, Dudley, Ingles, Roberson, and Simmons all seem like reasonable options (some better than others). But Wiggins and LaVine probably play the majority of most 4th quarters together.

Power Forward is a little different. I can see the need for a 30+ MPG PF like Milsap, Ibaka, or JaMychal Green. I'm just not sure we're going to be able to land one of those guys.

Q12543 wrote:

thedoper wrote:I hesitant about Dudley because Phoenix could only find 20 mins for him. I just don't see how we're going to squeeze out some more value out of him when he couldn't find a meaningful role on a team that had less wings than we do. I assume he is going downhill in his athleticism at this point in his career. If the solution for this team is just a back up wing then lets go for it. I just think we need more.

But I don't really think we need another "full-time" wing. We need a bigger wing that can start halves OR play meaningful minutes off the bench, but to me it looks like 20-25 MPG once LaVine is back at full strength. That's why Tucker, Thabo, Dudley, Ingles, Roberson, and Simmons all seem like reasonable options (some better than others). But Wiggins and LaVine probably play the majority of most 4th quarters together.

Power Forward is a little different. I can see the need for a 30+ MPG PF like Milsap, Ibaka, or JaMychal Green. I'm just not sure we're going to be able to land one of those guys.

Everything I have read is Dudley is all in on being a mentor there and I can't imagine they are desperately trying to open up cap space to sign a FA.