The measurements are in, the measurements are in!!!

[Monster]

These measurements a nice to get but it's also easy to get caught up in these too much. Avery Bradley is PG size but a terrific defender probably still weighs under 200lbs and now is a pretty good offensive player too. Plenty of guys can be better than their measurements. It sure is nice when a guy has certain aspects to his game that look good and then if they have advantageous measurements that's a nice aspect to make you feel better about a guy.

[Monster]

I think wingspan is very useful, but vertical jump seems like a pretty overrated stat. Kawhi and Klay Thompson had below average verticals (31.5 & 32) and there are many guys who jumped in the 40s that never had much of an NBA career.

I tend to agree with you. Wingspan helps on both ends. Also, if you have a long wingspan, you don't necessarily have to jump high!

I agree with the vertical being overrated. I think watching them play to see how athletic when they play is a better measure. You don't have to look at how high Lavine jumped at the combine to know the guy was an impressive athlete.

[AbeVigodaLive]

"- Zach Collins, a name a few of us have bandied about on this board, came in at the exact same height as KAT, a touch over 6'10" without shoes, 232 lbs., and a 7'1" wing span, which is a bit shorter than KATs. I think in today's NBA, any concern about his length should be put to rest. He doesn't have great length, but it's good enough to play C or PF in today's NBA. It's all about his mobility and skills. For the sake of comparison, he's coming in around the same weight as the Plumlee brothers and Cody Zeller. His wingspan is longer than the Plumlee brothers and both Zeller brothers."

I still think his length with be a problem, he plays small at the hoop

Plumlees and Zellers don't excite me either, if only he was more like Robin Lopez

Collins's rebounding and shot blocking don't indicate smallness at the hoop to me, but he was in a weaker conference, playing against less athletic bigs, etc. I'm sure he needs to get stronger.

I like Collins from what I've seen. Didn't Sabonis have the same knock... tall guy, average wingspan?

[TheFuture]

"- Zach Collins, a name a few of us have bandied about on this board, came in at the exact same height as KAT, a touch over 6'10" without shoes, 232 lbs., and a 7'1" wing span, which is a bit shorter than KATs. I think in today's NBA, any concern about his length should be put to rest. He doesn't have great length, but it's good enough to play C or PF in today's NBA. It's all about his mobility and skills. For the sake of comparison, he's coming in around the same weight as the Plumlee brothers and Cody Zeller. His wingspan is longer than the Plumlee brothers and both Zeller brothers."

I still think his length with be a problem, he plays small at the hoop

Plumlees and Zellers don't excite me either, if only he was more like Robin Lopez

Collins's rebounding and shot blocking don't indicate smallness at the hoop to me, but he was in a weaker conference, playing against less athletic bigs, etc. I'm sure he needs to get stronger.

I like Collins from what I've seen. Didn't Sabonis have the same knock... tall guy, average wingspan?

I'm not sure on their measurements but they were definitely far different as players. Sabonis had a much more polished offensive game and rebounded well. Collins rebounds well and shows flashes on either end.


I'm still for the trade down. OG and Ike wouldn't be bad as potential great role players.

[slimcalhoun27 [enjin:6640095]]

Ah yes, the wait is over. We can finally pour over the measurables of our favorite prospects from the NBA Draft Combine....er....or at least some of them since the top ones no longer show up.

A couple of notable areas (all heights are without shoes, so they will be listed much taller in official NBA rosters and player profiles):

- Zach Collins, a name a few of us have bandied about on this board, came in at the exact same height as KAT, a touch over 6'10" without shoes, 232 lbs., and a 7'1" wing span, which is a bit shorter than KATs. I think in today's NBA, any concern about his length should be put to rest. He doesn't have great length, but it's good enough to play C or PF in today's NBA. It's all about his mobility and skills. For the sake of comparison, he's coming in around the same weight as the Plumlee brothers and Cody Zeller. His wingspan is longer than the Plumlee brothers and both Zeller brothers.

- Ike Anigbogu came in at 6'8.5", 252 lbs, and a 7'6.3" wingspan, which is massive. This dude is a physical specimen and only 18 years old still. If Thibs is looking to trade down and groom a potential defensive stud over the next few years, he could do worse than this guy. Comparison: Bismack Biyombo had pretty much the exact same measurements.

- OG Anunoby came in at 6'6", 232 lbs., and a 7'2" wingspan. Comparison: Kawhi Leonard was measured at 6'6", 227 lbs, and a 7"3 wingspan.

I realize this is minor stuff compared to their skills, athleticism, motor, work ethic, IQ, etc., but thought it was some interesting info to share. Of course you can go to DraftExpress and pour over the data yourself (Lip, I know you are all over it!).

Ike for me is the only legit defensive player in this draft. He is a true baby Heuy, and at 18 is a haas in both size, muscle, athleticism and frame. I agree, he would be the project defensive stud the Wolves need. If we can trade back like I mentioned in another thread...get talent plus Ike, would be a very solid draft.

[bleedspeed]

Why didn't Ike play more? Did everyone see how big Thomas Bryant measured?

[Q12543 [enjin:6621299]]

"- Zach Collins, a name a few of us have bandied about on this board, came in at the exact same height as KAT, a touch over 6'10" without shoes, 232 lbs., and a 7'1" wing span, which is a bit shorter than KATs. I think in today's NBA, any concern about his length should be put to rest. He doesn't have great length, but it's good enough to play C or PF in today's NBA. It's all about his mobility and skills. For the sake of comparison, he's coming in around the same weight as the Plumlee brothers and Cody Zeller. His wingspan is longer than the Plumlee brothers and both Zeller brothers."

I still think his length with be a problem, he plays small at the hoop

Plumlees and Zellers don't excite me either, if only he was more like Robin Lopez

Collins's rebounding and shot blocking don't indicate smallness at the hoop to me, but he was in a weaker conference, playing against less athletic bigs, etc. I'm sure he needs to get stronger.

I like Collins from what I've seen. Didn't Sabonis have the same knock... tall guy, average wingspan?

I'm not sure on their measurements but they were definitely far different as players. Sabonis had a much more polished offensive game and rebounded well. Collins rebounds well and shows flashes on either end.


I'm still for the trade down. OG and Ike wouldn't be bad as potential great role players.

Sabonis is an inch shorter in height and 3 inches shorter in wingspan, so he is definitely not as long as Collins. He also had an extra year of college plus played some pro ball in Europe. I would not expect Collins to contribute in Year 1 the same way Sabonis did for the Thunder.

Collins was a prolific shot blocker in the minutes he played, whereas Sabonis blocked less than one shot per game in college, Collins' added length and hops translated to the box score too. That being said, I think Sabonis is an excellent positional defender that has a really strong base.....nothing wrong with being a ground-bound big that understands positioning. In some ways, that's a more effective way to defend.

[Lipoli390]

When it comes to the center position or shot-blocking, I'm more interested in overhead reach than wingspan. Zach Collins has a 9'3 overhead reach. I think that's the 4th longest overhead reach in the draft and plenty long to be an NBA center and shot blocker assuming good timing and quick bounce off the floor. Zach's college stats suggest great potential as both a rebounder and shot-blocker at the next level.

I was surprised to see Justin Jackson's 8'11 overhead reach. That's terrific for a SF.

I've had my eye on Ike for a while now. If we trade our pick for Jimmy Butler, I'd want the Bulls' 16th pick and use it to take Ike.

[Monster]

When it comes to the center position or shot-blocking, I'm more interested in overhead reach than wingspan. Zach Collins has a 9'3 overhead reach. I think that's the 4th longest overhead reach in the draft and plenty long to be an NBA center and shot blocker assuming good timing and quick bounce off the floor. Zach's college stats suggest great potential as both a rebounder and shot-blocker at the next level.

I was surprised to see Justin Jackson's 8'11 overhead reach. That's terrific for a SF.

I've had my eye on Ike for a while now. If we trade our pick for Jimmy Butler, I'd want the Bulls' 16th pick and use it to take Ike.

Lip LOVES the overhead reach. my guess is he has some kitchen cabinets that are really high and he wishes Blake Griffin and Kevin Love are still available to reach things for him. :)

I will mention here and then be done with it for another year that sometimes there are some players where the wingspan and height with oddly low overhead reach are puzzling to me. Regardless Zach Collins has plenty of length. There isn't anything to be concerned with there. Do we have measurements for Markkanen?

[Q12543 [enjin:6621299]]

When it comes to the center position or shot-blocking, I'm more interested in overhead reach than wingspan. Zach Collins has a 9'3 overhead reach. I think that's the 4th longest overhead reach in the draft and plenty long to be an NBA center and shot blocker assuming good timing and quick bounce off the floor. Zach's college stats suggest great potential as both a rebounder and shot-blocker at the next level.

I was surprised to see Justin Jackson's 8'11 overhead reach. That's terrific for a SF.

I've had my eye on Ike for a while now. If we trade our pick for Jimmy Butler, I'd want the Bulls' 16th pick and use it to take Ike.

Lip LOVES the overhead reach. my guess is he has some kitchen cabinets that are really high and he wishes Blake Griffin and Kevin Love are still available to reach things for him. :)

I will mention here and then be done with it for another year that sometimes there are some players where the wingspan and height with oddly low overhead reach are puzzling to me. Regardless Zach Collins has plenty of length. There isn't anything to be concerned with there. Do we have measurements for Markkanen?

I would actually say Monster that the measurements don't matter with Markkanen, because regardless of how good or bad they are, he clearly couldn't produce at the college level in the categories where it has meaning: Rebounding, blocks, and steals.

With these other guys (like Ike, OG, and Collins), you are trying to get a feel if their great box score stats in these categories can translate well to the next level or if they seem undersized for the position they are projected to play in the NBA. In all three cases, their physical profile seems to measure up.

One guy that disappointed a little was Jordan Bell. He produced big time for Oregon, but I question how well that will translate given his mediocre size as measured at the combine.