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Re: Sounds like it's probably Jeff Teague...
Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2017 10:30 pm
by 60WinTim
SameOldNudityDrew wrote:From CBS Sports, which has ranked Teague really low in their list of free agents. I've put in bold the major reason I don't like this signing. We had a horrible defense last year. Adding Butler should help. Losing Rubio and replacing him with Teague should hurt. He also shoots only 35% from 3, while guys like Hill and Lowry have both shot north of 40% and are considered better defenders.
Ugh. I don't like this very much.
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-free-agency-2017-ranking-60-best-available-players-potential-team-fits-analysis/
Jeff Teague G / Indiana (Rank: 29)
Best fits: Atlanta, Dallas, Orlando, Oklahoma City
Teague is 29, and just isn't seen as a difference-maker anymore. He posted career highs in assists per 100 possessions, none of his shooting numbers were concerning, but his defense slipped badly. He's this low on account of what is expected to be a fairly massive deal. If you get him for under $20 million as a starter, or under $18 for a backup, it's good value. Anything over that is an overpay you'll be hurting from at the end of his contract.
Well, at least we are getting good value! ;-)
He hit .400 from 3 a year ago. Last year he was with a new team. We are not looking for a featured guy at the point. We already have our featured guys.
Re: Sounds like it's probably Jeff Teague...
Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2017 10:35 pm
by Monster
SameOldDrew wrote:From CBS Sports, which has ranked Teague really low in their list of free agents. I've put in bold the major reason I don't like this signing. We had a horrible defense last year. Adding Butler should help. Losing Rubio and replacing him with Teague should hurt. He also shoots only 35% from 3, while guys like Hill and Lowry have both shot north of 40% and are considered better defenders.
Ugh. I don't like this very much.
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-free-agency-2017-ranking-60-best-available-players-potential-team-fits-analysis/
Jeff Teague G / Indiana (Rank: 29)
Best fits: Atlanta, Dallas, Orlando, Oklahoma City
Teague is 29, and just isn't seen as a difference-maker anymore. He posted career highs in assists per 100 possessions, none of his shooting numbers were concerning, but his defense slipped badly. He's this low on account of what is expected to be a fairly massive deal. If you get him for under $20 million as a starter, or under $18 for a backup, it's good value. Anything over that is an overpay you'll be hurting from at the end of his contract.
Was his defense bad because he sucked or what it his team and or coaching? Interestingly Teague averages a half a block a game per 36 mins in his career which is pretty good for a guy his size. I think there are some advanced stats that paint him to be pretty good on that end. He played for a defensive team in Atlanta so he may not be a liability.
Re: Sounds like it's probably Jeff Teague...
Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2017 10:38 pm
by SameOldNudityDrew
60WinTim wrote:SameOldNudityDrew wrote:From CBS Sports, which has ranked Teague really low in their list of free agents. I've put in bold the major reason I don't like this signing. We had a horrible defense last year. Adding Butler should help. Losing Rubio and replacing him with Teague should hurt. He also shoots only 35% from 3, while guys like Hill and Lowry have both shot north of 40% and are considered better defenders.
Ugh. I don't like this very much.
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-free-agency-2017-ranking-60-best-available-players-potential-team-fits-analysis/
Jeff Teague G / Indiana (Rank: 29)
Best fits: Atlanta, Dallas, Orlando, Oklahoma City
Teague is 29, and just isn't seen as a difference-maker anymore. He posted career highs in assists per 100 possessions, none of his shooting numbers were concerning, but his defense slipped badly. He's this low on account of what is expected to be a fairly massive deal. If you get him for under $20 million as a starter, or under $18 for a backup, it's good value. Anything over that is an overpay you'll be hurting from at the end of his contract.
Well, at least we are getting good value! ;-)
He hit .400 from 3 a year ago. Last year he was with a new team. We are not looking for a featured guy at the point. We already have our featured guys.
That's the only season he shot more than 35% from 3 since becoming a starter 6 years ago.
Even if you're not looking for a featured player (which, why not, if you can get a star like Lowry?), why sign a guy who's smaller and not as good defensively? Especially if you're not looking for a featured player, fit is crucial, and I'm wary about Teague's defense given our horrendous defense.
Re: Sounds like it's probably Jeff Teague...
Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2017 10:55 pm
by BloopOracle
WildWolf2813 wrote:It feels like Thibs is building a team he is ill-equipped to coach. On top of that, he's so damn worried about the offense when he should be worried about the fact that so many feet have to be up Andrew Wiggins' ass to get him to play with a motor.
oh christ give me a break, Thibs is an elite coach and was the number target for teams last year of course he's equipped to coach this team. You do realize Butler was on KFAN questioning whether he would have even been ok coming here if Thibs wasn't here? You wouldn't even have this team you think he can't coach if it wasn't for him. He's so damn worried about the offense when he just traded for a two way star? Or is it just emotion over losing Rubio from you because you're not even making sense
Re: Sounds like it's probably Jeff Teague...
Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2017 11:03 pm
by WildWolf2813
BloopOracle wrote:WildWolf2813 wrote:It feels like Thibs is building a team he is ill-equipped to coach. On top of that, he's so damn worried about the offense when he should be worried about the fact that so many feet have to be up Andrew Wiggins' ass to get him to play with a motor.
oh christ give me a break, Thibs is an elite coach and was the number target for teams last year of course he's equipped to coach this team.
So why is he so worried about fixing an offense that wasn't that big of a problem? If the whole mission is to now run up the score, defense and depth be damned, why is he here? He's not here because we think he knows what he's doing on offense. He's here to make that defense click while maintaining our offense. Year 1, he failed on that front. Now I just see him building the team he couldn't get far with in Chicago. In a PG's league, he's trying to win in spite of one. With all the ball movement leading to excellent results, he wants to go full ISO. He wants spacing yet he passes up Hield last year and I don't see how he can address the shooting now. I just don't believe in the idea that "hey Thibs will coach em up" when our two cornerstone players got worse under him defensively and it's far from a guarantee that everyone takes that leap. That's a reasonable outlook even if it is pessimistic.
Re: Sounds like it's probably Jeff Teague...
Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2017 11:13 pm
by AbeVigodaLive
WildWolf2813 wrote:BloopOracle wrote:WildWolf2813 wrote:It feels like Thibs is building a team he is ill-equipped to coach. On top of that, he's so damn worried about the offense when he should be worried about the fact that so many feet have to be up Andrew Wiggins' ass to get him to play with a motor.
oh christ give me a break, Thibs is an elite coach and was the number target for teams last year of course he's equipped to coach this team.
So why is he so worried about fixing an offense that wasn't that big of a problem?
If the whole mission is to now run up the score, defense and depth be damned, why is he here? He's not here because we think he knows what he's doing on offense. He's here to make that defense click while maintaining our offense. Year 1, he failed on that front. Now I just see him building the team he couldn't get far with in Chicago. In a PG's league, he's trying to win in spite of one. With all the ball movement leading to excellent results, he wants to go full ISO. He wants spacing yet he passes up Hield last year and I don't see how he can address the shooting now. I just don't believe in the idea that "hey Thibs will coach em up" when our two cornerstone players got worse under him defensively and it's far from a guarantee that everyone takes that leap. That's a reasonable outlook even if it is pessimistic.
Two ideas in bold... seem contradictory.
Re: Sounds like it's probably Jeff Teague...
Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2017 11:13 pm
by BloopOracle
WildWolf2813 wrote:BloopOracle wrote:WildWolf2813 wrote:It feels like Thibs is building a team he is ill-equipped to coach. On top of that, he's so damn worried about the offense when he should be worried about the fact that so many feet have to be up Andrew Wiggins' ass to get him to play with a motor.
oh christ give me a break, Thibs is an elite coach and was the number target for teams last year of course he's equipped to coach this team.
So why is he so worried about fixing an offense that wasn't that big of a problem? If the whole mission is to now run up the score, defense and depth be damned, why is he here? He's not here because we think he knows what he's doing on offense. He's here to make that defense click while maintaining our offense. Year 1, he failed on that front. Now I just see him building the team he couldn't get far with in Chicago. In a PG's league, he's trying to win in spite of one. With all the ball movement leading to excellent results, he wants to go full ISO. He wants spacing yet he passes up Hield last year and I don't see how he can address the shooting now. I just don't believe in the idea that "hey Thibs will coach em up" when our two cornerstone players got worse under him defensively and it's far from a guarantee that everyone takes that leap. That's a reasonable outlook even if it is pessimistic.
Simple, the playoffs are much more of a halfcourt game and Rubio would look even worse. How does adding the 2nd best defender in franchise history with Jimmy Butler mean our mission is to run up the score can you explain that one to me? Swapping Lavine for Butler means our mission is to run up the score? Yes he didn't improve our defense enough so we got Butler, you're talking out of both sides of your mouth dude which is it offense or defense that he's stuck on? Oh so you don't think he can coach them up? I'd love to hear who you think can.who would your coach be anyway? Who are you going to get to replace the best defensive mind of our generation with to coach up the team defense better than Thibs? Now you say you see him building the team he had in Chicago despite the fact that his best player there was a point guard and you just said a few lines above that he's trying to win in spite of one? Genius analysis dude
Re: Sounds like it's probably Jeff Teague...
Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2017 11:15 pm
by Monster
WildWolf2813 wrote:BloopOracle wrote:WildWolf2813 wrote:It feels like Thibs is building a team he is ill-equipped to coach. On top of that, he's so damn worried about the offense when he should be worried about the fact that so many feet have to be up Andrew Wiggins' ass to get him to play with a motor.
oh christ give me a break, Thibs is an elite coach and was the number target for teams last year of course he's equipped to coach this team.
So why is he so worried about fixing an offense that wasn't that big of a problem? If the whole mission is to now run up the score, defense and depth be damned, why is he here? He's not here because we think he knows what he's doing on offense. He's here to make that defense click while maintaining our offense. Year 1, he failed on that front. Now I just see him building the team he couldn't get far with in Chicago. In a PG's league, he's trying to win in spite of one. With all the ball movement leading to excellent results, he wants to go full ISO. He wants spacing yet he passes up Hield last year and I don't see how he can address the shooting now. I just don't believe in the idea that "hey Thibs will coach em up" when our two cornerstone players got worse under him defensively and it's far from a guarantee that everyone takes that leap. That's a reasonable outlook even if it is pessimistic.
Hard to have spacing when your PG can't and sometimes won't shoot. It could be argued that Thibs is building a team that on offensive very interchangeable and can move the ball to one player or another.
We will see about the defense. I was a fan of Rubio as a defensive player but he had some flaws on that end. I'm not completely convinced Teague is a liability on that end.
Re: Sounds like it's probably Jeff Teague...
Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2017 11:23 pm
by BloopOracle
https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/880999412704653314
numbers are in 3 years 57 million with a player option
Re: Sounds like it's probably Jeff Teague...
Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2017 11:23 pm
by khans2k5 [enjin:6608728]
If his offense is iso ball heavy he's assembling a great roster to do that. Teague, Butler and Wiggins all get to the line and Teague and Butler are very good playmakers off dribble penetration. We're going from 1 guy who can score off the dribble to 3 and the two we just added also dish out 13 combined assists per game as well. And none of that even accounts for Towns. He's assembling a very good roster that's going to be tough to stop.