Minnesota Sports Forum

I proposed the idea of trading Jordan Hill (team option) and a future 2nd for Pat Beverley in another thread before this rumour came out. If Houston are only seeking a salary dump then why not keep Rubio and not have to include Utah. Pay Beverley becomes our 6th man.

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

longstrangetrip wrote:I've always liked Beverley's defense, but his offensive game isn't strong enough for me to love this deal. I still want my PG to be primarily a distributor, and if not a great distributor, at least a great scorer...Beverley is neither. Rubio's 9.1 assists per game is more than double Beverley's 4.2. The only way I would love this deal would be if there was a specific reason Thibs needs the extra $10 million he saves by swapping contracts for the next two years, but I don't think cap space is our biggest issue. I'll take the younger player here...Rubio vs. Beverley.

The rub is that Thibs obviously likes the idea of a wing who can create. He force-fed that into Wiggins a bit last season. And Butler arrives with that in his DNA... only he's much better at it.

Beverley would give the Wolves a viable candidate behind the arc (38% career) who doesn't need the ball to be at his best. Rubio does need the ball because his passing is ELITE. But is that needed as much on a team with three guys gifted at creating their own shots (KAT, Wiggins and Butler)?

Plus, there's a different element to his defense... Rubio is a fine defender. At times, he's an absolute joy to watch. Beverley is a punk... a pest... an on-court troll. I can see why a team would want that type of guy on the roster.

All that being said... why would Houston do this?

They're trying to clear cap space to sign a big name FA this summer. There have been salary dump talks since the draft for them.

khans2k5 wrote:

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

longstrangetrip wrote:I've always liked Beverley's defense, but his offensive game isn't strong enough for me to love this deal. I still want my PG to be primarily a distributor, and if not a great distributor, at least a great scorer...Beverley is neither. Rubio's 9.1 assists per game is more than double Beverley's 4.2. The only way I would love this deal would be if there was a specific reason Thibs needs the extra $10 million he saves by swapping contracts for the next two years, but I don't think cap space is our biggest issue. I'll take the younger player here...Rubio vs. Beverley.

The rub is that Thibs obviously likes the idea of a wing who can create. He force-fed that into Wiggins a bit last season. And Butler arrives with that in his DNA... only he's much better at it.

Beverley would give the Wolves a viable candidate behind the arc (38% career) who doesn't need the ball to be at his best. Rubio does need the ball because his passing is ELITE. But is that needed as much on a team with three guys gifted at creating their own shots (KAT, Wiggins and Butler)?

Plus, there's a different element to his defense... Rubio is a fine defender. At times, he's an absolute joy to watch. Beverley is a punk... a pest... an on-court troll. I can see why a team would want that type of guy on the roster.

All that being said... why would Houston do this?

They're trying to clear cap space to sign a big name FA this summer. There have been salary dump talks since the draft for them.

Yes. I know. I even mentioned that earlier in this thread. How much do they need to clear?

Lou Williams makes $7M... more than Beverley.
Ryan Anderson makes $19M... nearly 4x more than Beveley.

Having Beverly and Butler on the team would be amazing to watch. Minnesota teams have been soft for a decade never having that defensive reputation that snowballs into refs letting you get away with more and more. I remember last year getting so annoyed with P.J. Tucker mauling Wiggins all over the court, but hey he's a defensive stopper, a fighter, he can do that.

To be on the other side of those reputation no-calls would be a delight.

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

khans2k5 wrote:

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

longstrangetrip wrote:I've always liked Beverley's defense, but his offensive game isn't strong enough for me to love this deal. I still want my PG to be primarily a distributor, and if not a great distributor, at least a great scorer...Beverley is neither. Rubio's 9.1 assists per game is more than double Beverley's 4.2. The only way I would love this deal would be if there was a specific reason Thibs needs the extra $10 million he saves by swapping contracts for the next two years, but I don't think cap space is our biggest issue. I'll take the younger player here...Rubio vs. Beverley.

The rub is that Thibs obviously likes the idea of a wing who can create. He force-fed that into Wiggins a bit last season. And Butler arrives with that in his DNA... only he's much better at it.

Beverley would give the Wolves a viable candidate behind the arc (38% career) who doesn't need the ball to be at his best. Rubio does need the ball because his passing is ELITE. But is that needed as much on a team with three guys gifted at creating their own shots (KAT, Wiggins and Butler)?

Plus, there's a different element to his defense... Rubio is a fine defender. At times, he's an absolute joy to watch. Beverley is a punk... a pest... an on-court troll. I can see why a team would want that type of guy on the roster.

All that being said... why would Houston do this?

They're trying to clear cap space to sign a big name FA this summer. There have been salary dump talks since the draft for them.

Yes. I know. I even mentioned that earlier in this thread. How much do they need to clear?

Lou Williams makes $7M... more than Beverley.
Ryan Anderson makes $19M... nearly 4x more than Beveley.

Beverly and Lou get them to 20+ million in cap space. I don't think any team is taking Anderson off their hands. I would expect to see Eric Gordon to move before him. But they need to clear 3 guys or their two whales in Anderson and Gordon and I don't see anyone eating Anderson at 19 million.

khans2k5 wrote:

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

khans2k5 wrote:

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

longstrangetrip wrote:I've always liked Beverley's defense, but his offensive game isn't strong enough for me to love this deal. I still want my PG to be primarily a distributor, and if not a great distributor, at least a great scorer...Beverley is neither. Rubio's 9.1 assists per game is more than double Beverley's 4.2. The only way I would love this deal would be if there was a specific reason Thibs needs the extra $10 million he saves by swapping contracts for the next two years, but I don't think cap space is our biggest issue. I'll take the younger player here...Rubio vs. Beverley.

The rub is that Thibs obviously likes the idea of a wing who can create. He force-fed that into Wiggins a bit last season. And Butler arrives with that in his DNA... only he's much better at it.

Beverley would give the Wolves a viable candidate behind the arc (38% career) who doesn't need the ball to be at his best. Rubio does need the ball because his passing is ELITE. But is that needed as much on a team with three guys gifted at creating their own shots (KAT, Wiggins and Butler)?

Plus, there's a different element to his defense... Rubio is a fine defender. At times, he's an absolute joy to watch. Beverley is a punk... a pest... an on-court troll. I can see why a team would want that type of guy on the roster.

All that being said... why would Houston do this?

They're trying to clear cap space to sign a big name FA this summer. There have been salary dump talks since the draft for them.

Yes. I know. I even mentioned that earlier in this thread. How much do they need to clear?

Lou Williams makes $7M... more than Beverley.
Ryan Anderson makes $19M... nearly 4x more than Beveley.

Beverly and Lou get them to 20+ million in cap space. I don't think any team is taking Anderson off their hands. I would expect to see Eric Gordon to move before him. But they need to clear 3 guys or their two whales in Anderson and Gordon and I don't see anyone eating Anderson at 19 million.

Any contract can be moved. Mozgov's contract was just moved... AND the team got D. Russell out of it, too.

With Beverley being named in the NBA All Defense First team, I think my idea of a salary dump of Jordan Hills contract might not be enough haha. :thumb:

And even more so now the Wolves have just waived Jordan 'blunt' Hill

KiwiMatt wrote:And even more so now the Wolves have just waived Jordan 'blunt' Hill

Who was that guy on here claiming Jordan Hill at $4M was a steal/bargain during last season's free agent bonanza? That guy is a frickin' idiot.

Jon K's take is that the Beverley deal has no legs at all unless the Rockets know they can sign Chris Paul. Even then, Houston could easily have better options. So I don't see this as a viable deal.

Jon K speculated that Thibs and Layden would really like to trade Ricky and sign Lowry because they want to make a big splash now. But Jon said they'd have to sell Glen on the idea because Ricky is his favorite player and Glen feels a lot of loyalty to him.

I've heard enough reports from credible reporters to believe that Thibs and Layden are actually exploring the possibility of signing Lowry, which would necessarily entail trading Ricky for cap space. But I'm not convinced that Thibs and Layden are sold on the idea just yet. I think they're exploring it and nothing more so far. Jon K also said it will likely take $25 million per year to sign Lowry. That would be about $11 million more than Ricky's salary, which would trim our cap space to around $11 million. I don't like that scenario at all.

Jon and Dan also discussed how Lowry's age doesn't fit well here. They also talked about Lowry as a 3rd alpha dog in addition to Butler and Towns and they wondered whether he would fit.