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7 Good Moves:
- Trading 9 for 14 and 21 in 2013 NBA Draft.
- Drafting Shabazz Muhammad 14th overall, drafting Gorgui Dieng 21st overall, drafting Bojan Dubljevi? 59th overall. (2013)
- Signing Corey Brewer (three-years, $14M). (2013)
- S/T; acquiring Kevin Martin (four-years, $28M) and cash for Ridnour and a 2nd. (2013)
- Drafting Zach LaVine 13th overall in 2014 NBA Draft.
- Trading Kevin Love, Luc Mbah a Moute, Alexey Shved, protected 2015 MIA 1st for Andrew Wiggins, Thaddeus Young, Anthony Bennett. (2014)
- Mo Williams, Troy Daniels for Gary Neal, 2nd (2015)

8 Bad/Puzzling Moves:
- Trading Malcolm Lee, 26th overall for cash, 2nd in 2013 NBA Draft.
- Signing Chase Budinger (three-years, $15M). (2013)
- Re-signing Nikola Pekovic (five-years, $60M). (2013)
- Sold 44th and 53rd picks in 2014 NBA Draft.
- Trading Corey Brewer, Ronny Turiaf for Troy Daniels, 2nd. (2014)
- Waiving Jeff Adrien in favor of Miroslav Raduljica. (2015)
- Trading future protected 1st 2017-2020 for Adreian Payne. (2015)
- Trading Thaddeus Young for Kevin Garnett. (2015)

5 Other Moves That Had No Impact:
- Trading Derrick Williams for Luc Mbah a Moute. (2013)
- Drafting Glenn Robinson III 40th overall in 2014 NBA Draft.
- Waived J.J. Barea. (2014)
- Signing Lorenzo Brown to multi-year deal. (2015)
- Waiving Glenn Robinson III. (2015)

1 Remains To Be Seen:
- Re-signing Ricky Rubio (four-year, $55M).

Flip the GM has been a mixed bag of results. For every good move he makes, he also makes a bad one. He'll be able to add one to the positive bunch with the 2015 NBA Draft pick, but what else will he do?

Camden0916 wrote:7 Good Moves:
- Trading 9 for 14 and 21 in 2013 NBA Draft.
- Drafting Shabazz Muhammad 14th overall, drafting Gorgui Dieng 21st overall, drafting Bojan Dubljevi? 59th overall. (2013)
- Signing Corey Brewer (three-years, $14M). (2013)
- S/T; acquiring Kevin Martin (four-years, $28M) and cash for Ridnour and a 2nd. (2013)
- Drafting Zach LaVine 13th overall in 2014 NBA Draft.
- Trading Kevin Love, Luc Mbah a Moute, Alexey Shved, protected 2015 MIA 1st for Andrew Wiggins, Thaddeus Young, Anthony Bennett. (2014)
- Mo Williams, Troy Daniels for Gary Neal, 2nd (2015)

8 Bad/Puzzling Moves:
- Trading Malcolm Lee, 26th overall for cash, 2nd in 2013 NBA Draft.
- Signing Chase Budinger (three-years, $15M). (2013)
- Re-signing Nikola Pekovic (five-years, $60M). (2013)
- Sold 44th and 53rd picks in 2014 NBA Draft.
- Trading Corey Brewer, Ronny Turiaf for Troy Daniels, 2nd. (2014)
- Waiving Jeff Adrien in favor of Miroslav Raduljica. (2015)
- Trading future protected 1st 2017-2020 for Adreian Payne. (2015)
- Trading Thaddeus Young for Kevin Garnett. (2015)

5 Other Moves That Had No Impact:
- Trading Derrick Williams for Luc Mbah a Moute. (2013)
- Drafting Glenn Robinson III 40th overall in 2014 NBA Draft.
- Waived J.J. Barea. (2014)
- Signing Lorenzo Brown to multi-year deal. (2015)
- Waiving Glenn Robinson III. (2015)

1 Remains To Be Seen:
- Re-signing Ricky Rubio (four-year, $55M).

Flip the GM has been a mixed bag of results. For every good move he makes, he also makes a bad one. He'll be able to add one to the positive bunch with the 2015 NBA Draft pick, but what else will he do?

Waiving Adrien and selling second round picks should be in the no impact column. Adrien would not have helped us win anymore games this year than we already won so him getting cut meant nothing. 2nd round picks are also just shots in the dark so the fact that he didn't see those picks as having value to the team are net zero moves. GR3 didn't even play this year when we were riddled with injuries so I find it hard to believe that Flip was going to be playing those picks he sold anyway. Those moves had zero impact on how this team could have performed versus how we actually did perform in my opinion. I don't see any added wins in keeping Adrien and two second round picks when Flip didn't believe there was a guy he wanted on his team at those spots so he sold them. That's why I can't count them as bad.

I also think the Thad for KG deal was a wash. Thad wasn't going to do anything for this team down the stretch given the guys he would have been playing with so his impact wouldn't have mattered anymore than the 5 games KG played. We dumped an empty stats guy on a losing team for a guy who will be here a year and possibly two longer than Thad at a cheaper cost. That's not a bad move in my opinion.

Are people too hard on Flip? Yes and no. The guys has done some good things taking over this franchise and this season went up in smoke with the injuries and youth he was coaching something closer to a d-league team out there down the stretch. On the other hand the guy basically controls the whole franchise it's all on him so being critical of him comes with the territory. I feel a little sorry for him because I do think he takes some shots that aren't quite fair but he signed up for this.

I feel I went into the Flip era with eyes wide open and cam illustrates there have been some ups and downs with Flip's moves but I still feel a decent amount of confidence in Flip because of some real positives that I can see since he took over.

I am hardest on Flip because he comes off as he has never made a mistake. He is way to defensive for my taste. It is okay to make a mistake. I really am not sure I can watch another year with him coaching. He will have his building blocks after the draft for this teams future and he needs a coach for the longterm sooner rather then later.

Yep, dumping Thad Young definitely goes in the good move column

BizarroJerry wrote:Yep, dumping Thad Young definitely goes in the good move column

IF Thad Young was planning on resigning... I can see that.

IF it was to lose more games while trying to dupe the fanbase that "Garnett was back! And here to win!" so we wouldn't notice the abject tanking?

For the rest of Cam's laundry list...

It doesn't have to take a lot of moves to be a good GM. It's making the right ones... the big ones.

As of now, the Wiggins deal makes almost everything else worth it. But that's the rub. Saunders was playing with house money this season because of Wiggins. Don't F with it! That's the problem I have with the Payne trade. I just didn't see the upside there for a team in such a massive rebuild.

AbeVigodaLive wrote:For the rest of Cam's laundry list...

It doesn't have to take a lot of moves to be a good GM. It's making the right ones... the big ones.

As of now, the Wiggins deal makes almost everything else worth it. But that's the rub. Saunders was playing with house money this season because of Wiggins. Don't F with it! That's the problem I have with the Payne trade. I just didn't see the upside there for a team in such a massive rebuild.

I always think of Ainge when it comes to the difference when it comes to bad vs good perception of NBA GMs 1 year he makes a boneheaded trade which had him basically giving up a pick Portland used to get Brandon Roy that draft for Telfair. A little over a year later he makes the moves (including dumping Telfair and holding on to Rondo) that bring a championship back to Boston and make them a contender for years. That's a pretty extremem example but I always think it's fun to bring up.

PorkChop wrote:He's made trades of marginal players for other marginal players and we as fans expect a big turn around.. The only trade that has any bearing on the future of the organization is the Love /Wiggins trade and I think we can all agree it was the right move . Is it Flips fault that players can't hit 15 ft jumpers let alone three pointers u all clamor for? If he ran a more 3pt friendly offense would these same players be able to make it successful?
Why don't we just hate on KG while we're at it, since he's the last player to get this team to the playoffs.... oh wait...

Flip is the sole person whose brought on everybody on this roster, including the deals they've signed, and the coaching they've received. There's literally no one else who can claim credit or blame, so no I don't think we are being too hard on him, the numbers do not lie

khans2k5 wrote:Flip the GM has been more good than bad. Flip the coach has been all bad. I don't like Flip the coach. I can live with Flip the GM because he's made enough good moves to offset the bad ones thus far.

Lets not forget how he handled Wiggins, Lavine & Bazz this year. Whether people want to admit it or not he made good decisions regarding their development.