khans2k5 wrote:I want whatever outcome leads to him leaving Cleveland because they don't deserve him with the way they scapegoat him while having no idea how to use him. The more stars on the more teams the better plus 25 and 12 Love is way more fun to watch than 17 and 10. I like watching good players play well and he'll never be able to play well in Cleveland with the way they use him.
I know he will get ripped for leaving, and I think it will be very unfair. They are asking him to play a style that doesn't fit him. He is the only one they are asking to sacrifice. Lebron hasn't had to. Kyrie hasn't had to.
My prediction is that Love and Rondo end up with the Lakers.
LOL...Yes, Kevin will get ripped for leaving the Cavs because he is never satisfied. Remember Goldilocks? She broke into the bears' house and then wasn't satisfied with what she found. The chairs/bed were either too hard or too soft...the porridge was either too hot or too cold.
Well, Kevin is the NBA version of Goldilocks. The Timberwolves didn't put enough talent around him, so it wasn't his fault that they didn't win (completely ignoring the fact that the evil Wolves allowed him to go 25 and 12 by letting him be the man). Then, he went to the Cavs who had so much talent that it didn't make sense to use him like the Wolves did (completely ignoring the fact that Irving is not Rubio and both Irving and James are better options than he is). The porridge is never "just right" for Goldilocks Kevin.
Kevin needs to decide what he wants to be when he grows up. He can either have stats or a shot at a championship, but not both, because he's just not good enough to be "the man" on a championship team. I don't think Kevin will ever find a situation that he will be comfortable with, and he will always find a way to leak his excuse narrative to the media. At least that has been his MO in his first two stops...the first two stops of many, I fear.
longstrangetrip wrote:LOL...Yes, Kevin will get ripped for leaving the Cavs because he is never satisfied. Remember Goldilocks? She broke into the bears' house and then wasn't satisfied with what she found. The chairs/bed were either too hard or too soft...the porridge was either too hot or too cold.
Well, Kevin is the NBA version of Goldilocks. The Timberwolves didn't put enough talent around him, so it wasn't his fault that they didn't win (completely ignoring the fact that the evil Wolves allowed him to go 25 and 12 by letting him be the man). Then, he went to the Cavs who had so much talent that it didn't make sense to use him like the Wolves did (completely ignoring the fact that Irving is not Rubio and both Irving and James are better options than he is). The porridge is never "just right" for Goldilocks Kevin.
Kevin needs to decide what he wants to be when he grows up. He can either have stats or a shot at a championship, but not both, because he's just not good enough to be "the man" on a championship team. I don't think Kevin will ever find a situation that he will be comfortable with, and he will always find a way to leak his excuse narrative to the media. At least that has been his MO in his first two stops...the first two stops of many, I fear.
I don't think you can argue that he is used really shitty. It is not like he is having a bad year. Still think he is a top 15 player in the nba, and would welcome him back with open arms. I still want the cavs to lose though
I never ripped Love for wanting out of Minnesota. There's going to be lingering resentment when you're with an organization that keeps you on the bench while trotting out Darko Milicic AND Ryan Hollins ahead of you for weeks at a time. Add in the "max contract" stuff when Love was very open about his willingness to stay...
Add that to being on a team with clear holes that topped out at 40 - 42. Should they have been better? Yes. And part of that was because of Love. Whether it was a missed bunny. Or, forcing the issue. Or, playing soft defense (I contend he played his best defense of his career last season). The Wolves weren't good enough.
Love asked out. I don't blame him. Dealing with Kahn for as long as he did does damage.
In Cleveland, he's a glorified Ryan Anderson. That's not what he's best at... but the Cavs are winning with him in that role. Will it be enough? I dunno. I'm sure he's frustrated by taking on 3rd wheel (or sometimes lower) status. This is where the criticism of Love comes into play. He's always SEEMED pretty disingenuous. But he claims to only care about winning. This will be a great test moving forward.
Cleveland may not even want him back... but how do they sugarcoat losing Wiggins to its fanbase? Personally, I think IF the Cavs lose... Love is getting thrown under the bus.
If they win... we'll see just how much Love cares about winning.
AbeVigodaLive wrote:I never ripped Love for wanting out of Minnesota. There's going to be lingering resentment when you're with an organization that keeps you on the bench while trotting out Darko Milicic AND Ryan Hollins ahead of you for weeks at a time. Add in the "max contract" stuff when Love was very open about his willingness to stay...
Add that to being on a team with clear holes that topped out at 40 - 42. Should they have been better? Yes. And part of that was because of Love. Whether it was a missed bunny. Or, forcing the issue. Or, playing soft defense (I contend he played his best defense of his career last season). The Wolves weren't good enough.
Love asked out. I don't blame him. Dealing with Kahn for as long as he did does damage.
In Cleveland, he's a glorified Ryan Anderson. That's not what he's best at... but the Cavs are winning with him in that role. Will it be enough? I dunno. I'm sure he's frustrated by taking on 3rd wheel (or sometimes lower) status. This is where the criticism of Love comes into play. He's always SEEMED pretty disingenuous. But he claims to only care about winning. This will be a great test moving forward.
Cleveland may not even want him back... but how do they sugarcoat losing Wiggins to its fanbase? Personally, I think IF the Cavs lose... Love is getting thrown under the bus.
If they win... we'll see just how much Love cares about winning.
Great take.
I'll just add at this point I don't care that much how Love does but mostly that's because I have t really followed the league that much this team besides the Wolves.
One last thing I will add is that Lebron Wade Love
Lebron Bosh and Kyrie
Would have been better fits than the reality trios
When you are a young star, I think it is bogus to hold it against him if he wants to leave to be the guy somewhere else rather than keep being the scapegoat for a title contender. This isn't Love in his 30's title chasing. He's in his prime. You're allowed to want to win and be a primary reason for the team winning. Even if he wins a title I don't see why he should have to keep being the third wheel for the sake of winning and proving to everyone that's all he cares about. Him being a go to guy and winning in Cleveland can't happen with Lebron and Kyrie so I don't get the mentality that if he leaves he just all of a sudden no longer cares about winning. He wants to win and be a main reason for winning. That shouldn't be held against him.
khans2k5 wrote:When you are a young star, I think it is bogus to hold it against him if he wants to leave to be the guy somewhere else rather than keep being the scapegoat for a title contender. This isn't Love in his 30's title chasing. He's in his prime. You're allowed to want to win and be a primary reason for the team winning. Even if he wins a title I don't see why he should have to keep being the third wheel for the sake of winning and proving to everyone that's all he cares about. Him being a go to guy and winning in Cleveland can't happen with Lebron and Kyrie so I don't get the mentality that if he leaves he just all of a sudden no longer cares about winning. He wants to win and be a main reason for winning. That shouldn't be held against him.
I get what you are saying but he left here to go win. If he leaves the Cavs Its going to be hard to see him going to a better winning situation than he has there. Personally I think the discord there is way overblown but I don't really care that much. WIGGINS WIGGINS WIGGINS
From an image standpoint, he's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't in this case. If he stays, he'll continue to be used as a glorified three-point shooting big man, which severely ignores his supreme talent in other areas. He'll also be the scapegoat for losses, while never receiving credit for wins. That shit sucks.
On the other side, if he leaves for a situation that better fits him in how he'll be used, he'll get labeled as the guy who broke his promise with Cleveland. Supposedly, K-Love and the Cavs had a handshake deal that he'll re-sign this summer. If he leaves, that's all we'll hear about.
I hope he does whatever he believes is best for him. In this world, that's all you really can do. Let the pieces fall where they may... perhaps in Los Angeles after all.
Hard for me to criticize Cleveland's use of Love when they are winning games and have two other elite scorers on the roster in Irving and LeBron James, both of whom sport higher shooting efficiency numbers than Love. They SHOULD get more shots. And Love parking out beyond the arc opens up more space for them to slash and drive.
I really hope Love decides to stay. The last thing we need is for the Lakers to take a talent like him out of the East and remake themselves into a playoff team again this offseason. Lord knows the West is hard enough as it is.
