Mstermisty wrote:Love without a doubt. I would choose Love even if he said he wanted to see if the team keeps improving before he signs an extension. And maybe we would have ended up trading him at the deadline then...so be it.
It's just unfortunate he decided to go full on douche bag on the bit. It just makes you wonder if something else went on behind the scenes that hasn't come to the surface yet.
(In Ricky Rubio's Spanish accent)
Ricky told him change his face, but Kevin no change his face. Ricky want faces changed and Kevin face stay unchanged. So no changed face mean Ricky no able to change his face. Kevin face still the same, and that's why he wants out of Minnesota... because of his face.
I don't like Kevin Love, never have...he's just not my kind of guy, and the team has not thrived with him as our best player. But that said, he is a proven star and you don't trade him for a guy who has never played an NBA minute, so I voted Love. I'm curious about who the three guys are who voted for Wiggins.
But this question is invalid, because this has never been about a happy Love vs. Wiggins, even though they are the main players in this deal. This is about an unhappy Love vs. Wiggins plus 2 or three other guys who were all selected in the first four picks of the draft, and I think that deal has to be considered. I believe Love's immaturity and inability to bond with his teammates has been a major factor in the Wolves' lack of success the past 6 years. So, here are my answers:
If Love said he would consider extending with the Wolves, I don't trade him straight up for Wiggins...which unfortunately might doom as to another 5 years of mediocrity.
If Love said he would consider extending with the Wolves but hadn't really shown me that he had changed his personality and behavior, I probably do trade him for Wiggins/TT/Bennett/Waiters. That's just too much high potential depth to pass on for a guy who hasn't been able to get his team to the playoffs.
But, if Love actually did sign an extension with the Wolves and concurrently made a believable statement to the fans that he has changed his attitude, that he now takes responsibility for the team's inability to make the playoffs, and vows to be a better teammate and leader, I don't trade him for that package.
Clear? Now I want to hear from the three people who were willing to trade Love straight up for Wiggins, even if Love were willing to extend. Come on defend your vote...you might even convince me!
I did not vote but would probably vote to keep Love, however, many here have stated that this team is flawed as currently constructed and do not believe they can win big. Love is only part of that equation but I can see an argument that trading Love for different pieces could be the ticket. Love is the best player on the team but he can also bring the best pieces back.
longstrangetrip wrote:But this question is invalid, because this has never been about a happy Love vs. Wiggins, even though they are the main players in this deal. This is about an unhappy Love vs. Wiggins plus 2 or three other guys who were all selected in the first four picks of the draft, and I think that deal has to be considered.
Understood, it's just that it was suggested in another thread that most on the board would be fine with such an exchange. I found that suggestion to be rather ridiculous and wanted to find out if it was the case. It's nice to see that most agree with my assertion that Love > Wiggins.
longstrangetrip wrote:But this question is invalid, because this has never been about a happy Love vs. Wiggins, even though they are the main players in this deal. This is about an unhappy Love vs. Wiggins plus 2 or three other guys who were all selected in the first four picks of the draft, and I think that deal has to be considered.
Understood, it's just that it was suggested in another thread that most on the board would be fine with such an exchange. I found that suggestion to be rather ridiculous and wanted to find out if it was the case. It's nice to see that most agree with my assertion that Love > Wiggins.
I understand, Mike, and agree that it's good to see how the board really feels about these two players straight up. I admit that my personal dislike of Love made it difficult for me to pull the lever for him without a bunch of disclaimers :) .
longstrangetrip wrote:I don't like Kevin Love, never have...he's just not my kind of guy, and the team has not thrived with him as our best player. But that said, he is a proven star and you don't trade him for a guy who has never played an NBA minute, so I voted Love. I'm curious about who the three guys are who voted for Wiggins.
But this question is invalid, because this has never been about a happy Love vs. Wiggins, even though they are the main players in this deal. This is about an unhappy Love vs. Wiggins plus 2 or three other guys who were all selected in the first four picks of the draft, and I think that deal has to be considered. I believe Love's immaturity and inability to bond with his teammates has been a major factor in the Wolves' lack of success the past 6 years. So, here are my answers:
If Love said he would consider extending with the Wolves, I don't trade him straight up for Wiggins...which unfortunately might doom as to another 5 years of mediocrity.
If Love said he would consider extending with the Wolves but hadn't really shown me that he had changed his personality and behavior, I probably do trade him for Wiggins/TT/Bennett/Waiters. That's just too much high potential depth to pass on for a guy who hasn't been able to get his team to the playoffs.
But, if Love actually did sign an extension with the Wolves and concurrently made a believable statement to the fans that he has changed his attitude, that he now takes responsibility for the team's inability to make the playoffs, and vows to be a better teammate and leader, I don't trade him for that package.
Clear? Now I want to hear from the three people who were willing to trade Love straight up for Wiggins, even if Love were willing to extend. Come on defend your vote...you might even convince me!
I voted for Love, but here is what made me think: We need more 2 way players that can maximize their talents playing with Rubio. I can't think of a better guy that fits that description better than Wiggins. You put him Rubio and Lavine on the court together and you might see the 2nd coming of showtime.
But, I just don't like pompous a$$e$. I also don't like the makeup of this team, nor do I see the assets to improve it to contender level. Thus I'm all for moving Love for a combination of Wiggins, Bennett, and a 1st to be followed by moving Martin and sadly Pek. It's time to set this team up with assets and young players that could possibly offer a future like OKC. This team had those assets a couple years back but the Kahn experiment led us to this point.
A young, athletic team with a possible future as a contender or a few more years of just missing/making the playoffs with no real hope to excel once there is an easy choice for me.
What good is a top ten talent if you've backed yourself into a salary cap corner with few valuable assets to use as trade bait to fill out the roster of a contender? IMO the only value that top ten talent has for you in that situation is as trade bait to jump start rebuild 7.0.
Love is the perfect player next to Ricky. He's a stretch 4 who can score enough to make up for Ricky's scoring deficiencies. Having a PG who can't shoot kills most teams and having a stretch 4 lessens that offensive blow. Love is elite in the high post and is very difficult to guard as the pick setter because he can fade or roll and be in position to score either way. Honestly, if we would be keeping Love I'd want Flip to send out the farm to get the rim protector that needs to be next to Love. I think we would be a force to be reckoned with if we actually had a big to protect the rim because Ricky and Corey's steal gambles don't hurt as much and Love's lack of weak side defense isn't as big of a problem. That's why keeping Pek was a mistake in my mind. I would have rather taken the risk on a McGee or Larry Sanders even if they were going to be overpaid. It was and is an obvious weakness on this team that I don't get why it hasn't been corrected. We don't need our bigs to be skilled. They just need to protect the rim and be able to catch the ball and finish when Ricky finds them in the PnR. I think Wiggins would benefit greatly from playing with Ricky, but the lane is going to start getting clogged if Ricky still can't stretch the floor and Love leaves and is replaced by a guy who doesn't stretch the floor.
khans2k5 wrote:Love is the perfect player next to Ricky. He's a stretch 4 who can score enough to make up for Ricky's scoring deficiencies. Having a PG who can't shoot kills most teams and having a stretch 4 lessens that offensive blow. Love is elite in the high post and is very difficult to guard as the pick setter because he can fade or roll and be in position to score either way. Honestly, if we would be keeping Love I'd want Flip to send out the farm to get the rim protector that needs to be next to Love. I think we would be a force to be reckoned with if we actually had a big to protect the rim because Ricky and Corey's steal gambles don't hurt as much and Love's lack of weak side defense isn't as big of a problem. That's why keeping Pek was a mistake in my mind. I would have rather taken the risk on a McGee or Larry Sanders even if they were going to be overpaid. It was and is an obvious weakness on this team that I don't get why it hasn't been corrected. We don't need our bigs to be skilled. They just need to protect the rim and be able to catch the ball and finish when Ricky finds them in the PnR. I think Wiggins would benefit greatly from playing with Ricky, but the lane is going to start getting clogged if Ricky still can't stretch the floor and Love leaves and is replaced by a guy who doesn't stretch the floor.
That's why Dieng is so important he COULD be the answer to this problem and change the direction of the franchise.
khans2k5 wrote:Love is the perfect player next to Ricky. He's a stretch 4 who can score enough to make up for Ricky's scoring deficiencies. Having a PG who can't shoot kills most teams and having a stretch 4 lessens that offensive blow. Love is elite in the high post and is very difficult to guard as the pick setter because he can fade or roll and be in position to score either way. Honestly, if we would be keeping Love I'd want Flip to send out the farm to get the rim protector that needs to be next to Love. I think we would be a force to be reckoned with if we actually had a big to protect the rim because Ricky and Corey's steal gambles don't hurt as much and Love's lack of weak side defense isn't as big of a problem. That's why keeping Pek was a mistake in my mind. I would have rather taken the risk on a McGee or Larry Sanders even if they were going to be overpaid. It was and is an obvious weakness on this team that I don't get why it hasn't been corrected. We don't need our bigs to be skilled. They just need to protect the rim and be able to catch the ball and finish when Ricky finds them in the PnR. I think Wiggins would benefit greatly from playing with Ricky, but the lane is going to start getting clogged if Ricky still can't stretch the floor and Love leaves and is replaced by a guy who doesn't stretch the floor.
Yes and no. Obviously Love is a perfect fit next to just about anybody. That's what top 10 players are. But we have a serious deficiency in terms of two way players. And I'm not sure why you don't think Dieng can be that rim protector we need. His minutes should increase this year.
Two way players and outside shooting is what we need if we can't keep Love. Wiggins helps immensely on the two-way front, just need to find some shooters to allow Ricky to penetrate and dish.
