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I want it all. I want the championship contender and if you have a star player, you should be competent enough to put the right pieces around him to make it happen. We have a future star in Wiggins (and potentially another one on the way). If we blow this rebuild then there's no reason to keep rooting for the team. Playoffs are fun, but what's the fun part about knowing you have zero realistic chance to be champions? That's not me. I guess I'm still boom or bust.

Camden wrote:I want it all. I want the championship contender and if you have a star player, you should be competent enough to put the right pieces around him to make it happen. We have a future star in Wiggins (and potentially another one on the way). If we blow this rebuild then there's no reason to keep rooting for the team. Playoffs are fun, but what's the fun part about knowing you have zero realistic chance to be champions? That's not me. I guess I'm still boom or bust.

Pretty much agree with this. We just need Wiggins to keep coming. If he does you're right, we better be able to form a contender around that guy.

OKC has two of the 4 best players in the world and have made it to 1 NBA final in the entirety of their careers. Should their fans stop being fans because they haven't won it and probably won't? All you can do is put your name in the playoff hat and then it comes down to playing great at the perfect time. It's why the same Spurs core can lose in the finals one year and obliterate the same team in the finals the next year. The personnel didn't significantly change for either of the team. Just like any tournament, you have to get in first and then you have to get hot. 7 game series try to eliminate luck, but you only have to win 4 and a hot team can tilt the table in their favor pretty easily and end it early before the better team can recover.

I don't think title or bust is a good attitude to have because it's not realistic. Only 1 team gets to win each year and things have to go perfectly your way to win it. You can only do so much to put yourself in position to win it all. The Thunder haven't been able to win it all with 2 of the best players in the game, so I don't think we can be that disappointed if we don't win it. It's too tough to accomplish in my mind to be disappointed if it doesn't happen. Meanwhile I've been to a Wild playoff game the last two years and it has been really fun to follow that team. This is the entertainment business. That's all we are owed as fans at the end of the day.

The Thunder are legitimate title contenders every year. Not just a playoff team. They are a threat to win it all. That's what I'm talking about. Fuck being a treadmill team like the Hawks were with Horford, Johnson, Smith. Mid-seed every year but everyone knew they couldn't win it all. Or the CP3, Griffin-led Clippers. I'm not satisfied with just playoffs because I don't have that loser's mentality. No shit only one team wins the Finals, but there's always 4-6 teams that you go, "Yeah, I could see them winning it all." Title contender. Not playoff contender. There's a difference.

Hey if you are boom or bust that's cool with me it just might be a good idea to consider what each of our views are when discussing stuff and be respectful. :) I'm not saying one way is wrong or right I guess for me I just want to enjoy watching the game as a whole. I don't think I can do that with a boom or bust mentality but that's me.

If I was a Jazz fan back in the day there is no shame in being a fan of that Stocktan and Malone tandem etc. i don't think that's what the boom or bust people are talking about though but man like Q points out it's tough to win a championship and OKC has had a terrific roster for a few years now.

The discussion of Anthony Bennett on the other thread and the mentioning of the culture of losing makes me think of a lot of bad teams tend to do a lot of reclamation project because well they don't have any good players. Kahn swung for the fences which a lot of fans really wanted the team to do. None of those guys worked out and most of them probably contributed to a losing culture. I'm tired of taking on these high talent projects. Sure maybe one or even 2 of them sure but sigh it gets old seeing these guys that just aren't good at basketball wasting away out there. In all fairness Flip hasn't played it safe either but so far he has a much better track record of adding talent but we will see what happens. Right now I'm worried about health because that's something that could really derail some of the good stuff that's happening with this team. If Rubio and Bazz continue to have injury issues...like Q said it's tough to win.

The one thing I'll say is the Hawks don't get the Millsap's and Carroll's for dirt cheap compared to their real value without being a perennial playoff team and now it has paid off by making them a contender. It's a lot easier to sign guys who put you over the top when you are a perennial playoff team who is just a piece or two away than being a bottom feeder who can't even make the playoffs. Milwaukee perennially goes for that 8 seed and they have come out of it with Parker and Giannis as building blocks with only 1 really bad year. Becoming a perennial playoff team doesn't put a cap on us. It just gives us different ways to get over the top to contender status.

I think when we say boom, it really means you have a legitimate chance at the title. I want to at least know if things go our way we have that chance. That's really all I'm saying.

I think fans always just want better - up to the final goal of championship. Yeah, right now having a team that just gets to the playoffs each year sounds pretty good. But we had that every year from 1996 to 2003 and I don't remember fans being content. They wanted a team that could contend for a championship. Then came Cassell and Sprewell and we went to the finals. But I don't remember fans being happy with just making it to the finals and losing. Like it or not, if we are all honest with ourselves we want it all and anything less will not satisfy us long term. Anyone who was around for the Twins Championship runs in 1987 and 1991 knows how enduring the losing seasons make it that much sweeter when things finally come together.

monsterpile wrote:Maybe it's being beaten down by how awful the Wolves have been in particular but I am tired of championship or bust type thinking. I want to see my sports teams play good teamwork play the game well compete etc. I want the Wolves to be a good basketball team and I would be content to see some good basketball players come together and become a playoff team. If they don't have quite what it takes for a contender that's fine of they are playing good basketball.

I'm not advocating mediocre teams but I'm tired of boom or bust stuff. I guess for the Wolves and the Twins it would be nice to actually see a legit product out there that you can have some pride in. Mostly it's been pretty awful. I'd be thrilled to have a team that was a little better than decent. In the west that means over .500 which quite frankly is no small accomplishment in that conference.

I'm not sure I articulated well what I mean but really I want to see the Wolves play some good basketball and maybe it will result in a WCF run someday or maybe not even that far idk but man just an 8th seed team sounds amazing right now. Sigh

What have the Wolves done to make u think theyve taken the boom or bust approach? The Wolves just exist, they haven't shown themselves to have any plan going into an season. They're as close to being a championship contender as they are to being competitive so why not shoot for the stars?

I'm definitely on the chance to win a championship side. I want to see a team that at least has good potential to win it all. I think this team has some key and solid pieces moving us in the right direction. I think the biggest questions are defense coaching, offensive play calling and health. The talent is certainly getting there.