kekgeek1 wrote:lipoli390 wrote:AbeVigodaLive wrote:lipoli390 wrote:I generally agree with Abe's analysis.
But I wouldn't consider trading KAT.
I have him in the KEEP column. I think the addition/potential of Edwards helps immensely with any concerns around building around a center instead of a wing.
IF he meets his potential, he's the guy you can give the ball too when they're fronting/doubling the post guy.
It's not entirely unlike the frustration so many people had during the Garnett years. It seemed so obvious what Garnett needed -- a brash, shot taking guard to relieve some of the pressure. Ironically, they had it immediately with Marbury... then we had to wait almost a decade for Cassell.
We'll see about the Collins stuff. I also wonder what else would be required in such a trade... Beasley won't be enough.
I think you're right that it would take more than Beasley to get Collins. The question is, how much more? As we all read, Atlanta was apparently demanding a future first in addition to Beasley and Rosas declined. I think he was right to decline and should reject that deal again if proposed. I'd give up Beasley, Culver and a future 2nd round pick (assuming we have any future 2nd round picks left). If that's not enough, then so be it. I like the front-court players we have in Naz, Vando and McDaniels. And now Juancho is starting to come around. All three of those guys still have lots of untapped upside and appear to have the drive to get better. So the Rosas shouldn't feel desperate to deal for another big. In fact, he shouldn't feel desperate to do any deals.
Legit question would you do Beasley and a top 10 protected 1st for Collins. Assuming Collins gets near max money. Wolves could do that trade if they lose their pick good offseason.
Trades really open up if the Wolves lose their pick they will be able to trade picks in 2022 and 23 what they can't do if the wolves keep their pick this year
The difference I see in a sign and trade is that you know you are getting collins and how much he is getting paid. If Rosas had to give up Beasley and a pick that he didn't even know when he was giving it up for a guy he would be forced to match a max deal for then he may not be willing to do that. Maybe he does it if he knows what contract Collins is getting and also knows what the outcome of his future pick situation is. He will also know more about his roster construction after another chunk of games has been played this season. As Lip said maybe he doesn't go al in on Collins right now.
What are some other options?
Take a flyer on Bagley
Is Toppin available?
Maybe sign a solid vet PF for relatively cheap to help with the committee they currently have as well and keeping Vanderbilt.
Maybe some other FA I haven't thought of that see's a relatively wide open starting spot here and that's a positive in terms of the Wolves being able to land him.
Making a move and getting back into the first round of the upcoming draft and selecting a guy even late 1st with some legit potential.
In house options:
Juancho isn't the answer but he might be part of a committee approach. He is starting to come around in terms of 3 point shooting for the season and he is shooting over 60% on 2 point shots including over 70% at the rim. I think he is a guy that has the willingness to play less minutes than a starter he just needs to find the right role and maybe Finch and the Wolves can get him there. Vanderbilt is interesting and then you have Mcdaniels that can play small ball 4 and maybe the most intruiging player is Naz Reid. Notice nobody even considered him play at all in summer league going into his 3rd season which is a pretty big compliment for an undrafted rookie big.
Ultimately Rosas is going to go after some higher end talent this summer but idk what the price will or should be. Beasley does seem like a pretty nice trade chip to start with.
