Wiggins trade ideas

[SameOldNudityDrew]

Wiggins' contract is one of the worst in the league. Nobody's trading for an inefficient scorer who does nothing else and has been regressing as a player. We'd need to give up assets just to dump him. Signing him for the max was a huge mistake. Can anybody argue that he makes our team better? We'd be a better team right now if we could just cut him and give Okogie his minutes.

As a point of comparison, Porter has been a bit of a disappointment this year, especially given his big contract. But at least Porter has a track record of being a good 3 point shooter and a more efficient scorer generally so there's a role for him. Plus he's a better defender. That contract is too high, for sure, but that's still a player that lots of teams could plug in to a 3 and D role fairly easily.

[Monster]

Watching last night's game somehow I just felt some belief in Andrew wiggins being a worthwhile player. Max contract worth player? No probably not. 20 million above average starting level wing? I think it's still possible. I'm keeping my mind open to the idea he COULD be a guy that can help or provide value in making a move down the road. I'm not betting on this but I still have some belief in his ability. I'm not making this statement as an iron clad backing of the guy I just think there is something still there. I watched Dieng go from being a shell of himself to back to being worthy of being in the NBA and at this point deserving of being in the rotation of a team with enough talent to make the playoffs. Few others will share my Wiggins belief or probably even understand it. That ok. We are all here as fans of this team and want the best for it. I'm not ripping anyone for wanting to trade Wiggins (it makes sense) just stating where I am right now. My position could absolutely change. To clarify with my belief in Wiggins if a deal was out there that actually brought back some value for Wiggins I would be listening. I don't know what value Inwoild he looking for but yeah I'd be interested in doing that. Again I can see the merit in basically dumping him for nothing but I still think he can be more worthwhile than he has showed this year by a reasonably significant margin...and if he did even if he isn't a star...that would be pretty significant. This team has been winning with him struggling offensively. Imagine if he wasn't.

[AbeVigodaLive]

All Wiggins needs is another 5 years.

C'mon guys. He's still super young. Imagine what he'd be doing if he was still in college! How good was Larry Bird or Kevin Durant or Anthony Davis or Giannis or Jordan or Hakeem or LeBron at 23?

We need to be more patient.

[Q12543 [enjin:6621299]]

Watching last night's game somehow I just felt some belief in Andrew wiggins being a worthwhile player. Max contract worth player? No probably not. 20 million above average starting level wing? I think it's still possible. I'm keeping my mind open to the idea he COULD be a guy that can help or provide value in making a move down the road. I'm not betting on this but I still have some belief in his ability. I'm not making this statement as an iron clad backing of the guy I just think there is something still there. I watched Dieng go from being a shell of himself to back to being worthy of being in the NBA and at this point deserving of being in the rotation of a team with enough talent to make the playoffs. Few others will share my Wiggins belief or probably even understand it. That ok. We are all here as fans of this team and want the best for it. I'm not ripping anyone for wanting to trade Wiggins (it makes sense) just stating where I am right now. My position could absolutely change. To clarify with my belief in Wiggins if a deal was out there that actually brought back some value for Wiggins I would be listening. I don't know what value Inwoild he looking for but yeah I'd be interested in doing that. Again I can see the merit in basically dumping him for nothing but I still think he can be more worthwhile than he has showed this year by a reasonably significant margin...and if he did even if he isn't a star...that would be pretty significant. This team has been winning with him struggling offensively. Imagine if he wasn't.

Monster, you have become the new 60WinTim with your optimism. If we could trade him in a pure salary dump for equivalent salary that expires this year, I'd do it in a heart beat and never look back. We have a kid on a rookie deal that is just as good defensively and is already a better ball handler and passer. Hopefully the shooting and foul discipline come around eventually, but he's a 35% 3-point shot away from being a better player than Wiggins.

[ALLDAYCHRIS [enjin:19712952]]

We should offer the Kings Wiggins and a first round pick and maybe a second rounder if need be for Zach Randolph (1 year contract filler) and Iman Shumperts 1 year deal. He is a solid 3 and D guy that has championship experience and knows how to play.

Giving up the picks while also giving up on Wiggins sucks but this would get us out of that horrible contract.

I think the kings would do it too because Vlade seems to love players with potential and draft picks

NBA trade machine has it increasing our win total by a game also.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine

[kekgeek]

We should offer the Kings Wiggins and a first round pick and maybe a second rounder if need be for Zach Randolph (1 year contract filler) and Iman Shumperts 1 year deal. He is a solid 3 and D guy that has championship experience and knows how to play.

Giving up the picks while also giving up on Wiggins sucks but this would get us out of that horrible contract.

I think the kings would do it too because Vlade seems to love players with potential and draft picks

NBA trade machine has it increasing our win total by a game also.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine

Just my opinion, doesn't make sense to trade Wiggins with a 1st just for cap space. Especially in this offseason where a lot of teams have cap space.

[thedoper]

I think this is the point where I reiterate that a Toronto deal will be on the table one day. I don't think we need to rush this, particularly when the whole NBA world seems to really dislike the kid. We're not winning a championship this year or signing Durant in the off-season, let's not sell at the lowest point (most time remaining on a large contract, slump in play). It's just stupid business sense to move on a deal now.

[AbeVigodaLive]

I think this is the point where I reiterate that a Toronto deal will be on the table one day. I don't think we need to rush this, particularly when the whole NBA world seems to really dislike the kid. We're not winning a championship this year or signing Durant in the off-season, let's not sell at the lowest point (most time remaining on a large contract, slump in play). It's just stupid business sense to move on a deal now.

Is the Toronto window closing though? They're killing it right now...

Might depend on Kawhi Leonard. But that team seems built on unsung guys who come out of seemingly nowhere to be contributors... not much ballyhooed top draft picks being ridiculously overpaid.

[thedoper]

I think this is the point where I reiterate that a Toronto deal will be on the table one day. I don't think we need to rush this, particularly when the whole NBA world seems to really dislike the kid. We're not winning a championship this year or signing Durant in the off-season, let's not sell at the lowest point (most time remaining on a large contract, slump in play). It's just stupid business sense to move on a deal now.

Is the Toronto window closing though? They're killing it right now...

Might depend on Kawhi Leonard. But that team seems built on unsung guys who come out of seemingly nowhere to be contributors... not much ballyhooed top draft picks being ridiculously overpaid.

Toronto's continued success vs rebuild completely hinges on Kawhi. Lowry isn't getting any younger. I'd be shocked if Toronto re-signs Kawhi. I can't see Ujiri staying if they lose Kawhi. That being said the right time to trade Wiggins will be about a year from now or beyond, which I believe will coincide with a full Toronto rebuild.

[AbeVigodaLive]

I think this is the point where I reiterate that a Toronto deal will be on the table one day. I don't think we need to rush this, particularly when the whole NBA world seems to really dislike the kid. We're not winning a championship this year or signing Durant in the off-season, let's not sell at the lowest point (most time remaining on a large contract, slump in play). It's just stupid business sense to move on a deal now.

Is the Toronto window closing though? They're killing it right now...

Might depend on Kawhi Leonard. But that team seems built on unsung guys who come out of seemingly nowhere to be contributors... not much ballyhooed top draft picks being ridiculously overpaid.

Toronto's continued success vs rebuild completely hinges on Kawhi. Lowry isn't getting any younger. I'd be shocked if Toronto re-signs Kawhi. I can't see Ujiri staying if they lose Kawhi. That being said the right time to trade Wiggins will be about a year from now or beyond, which I believe will coincide with a full Toronto rebuild.

Why would they need to completely rebuild?

They will have a ton of space/decisions next year. They'd have Lowry's $33M contract to work with... maybe Valuncunas' $17M... and Ibaka's $23M... all expiring.

Unless he improves significantly, I simply can't see a team picking up Wiggins in Year 7 with that kind of money on the books. It's not like Toronto's fans are that big of provincial rubes that they'd take anything close to local talent to make them happy. They'd be fresh from multiple 55-win seasons... ECF appearances... et al.

Saying "But he's from here!" flies with crappy organizations like Minnesota... not successful ones.



[Note: I have no idea if Leonard resigns there or not. He's just... a different kind of cat. Does his signing with NEW BALANCE instead of NIKE make it seem more or less likely?]