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Aren't we already tanking? This seems like Thibs is trying to force Taylor's hand to sell the team.

I don't like the wording of the question either. The Ricky Bobby approach (if your not first, you're last) to NBA success has annoyed me in this era. A season is by no means a failure if you don't win a championship. All the player movement has set the narrative of championship or bust. But in that scenario how do you ever build a team? GS spent quite a few years finding their identity as a core before surging forward. Patience along with good moves is part of the equation. Unfortunately we may be incapable of good moves.

thedoper wrote:I don't like the wording of the question either. The Ricky Bobby approach (if your not first, you're last) to NBA success has annoyed me in this era. A season is by no means a failure if you don't win a championship. All the player movement has set the narrative of championship or bust. But in that scenario how do you ever build a team? GS spent quite a few years finding their identity as a core before surging forward. Patience along with good moves is part of the equation. Unfortunately we may be incapable of good moves.

It's this new age of thinking that has me appreciating the SAS, Milwaukees, Utahs, Indianas, et al...

According to some... Malone and Stockton were failures.

"BLOW IT UP!!!"





[Note: The odd thing for me is when it's fans leading this way of thinking. We're the ones paying money and spending time with the team. Isn't it in our worst interest to consistently put out an inferior product just for the hope that someday it would be great? Think of it this way... would you rather be an absentee dad who finds out that your longlost son is about to be the president of the U.S.? Or, relish in the many memorable moments you share with your offspring along the way as he ends up being an entirely decent and respectable middle management rube?]

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

thedoper wrote:I don't like the wording of the question either. The Ricky Bobby approach (if your not first, you're last) to NBA success has annoyed me in this era. A season is by no means a failure if you don't win a championship. All the player movement has set the narrative of championship or bust. But in that scenario how do you ever build a team? GS spent quite a few years finding their identity as a core before surging forward. Patience along with good moves is part of the equation. Unfortunately we may be incapable of good moves.

It's this new age of thinking that has me appreciating the SAS, Milwaukees, Utahs, Indianas, et al...

According to some... Malone and Stockton were failures.

"BLOW IT UP!!!"





[Note: The odd thing for me is when it's fans leading this way of thinking. We're the ones paying money and spending time with the team. Isn't it in our worst interest to consistently put out an inferior product just for the hope that someday it would be great? Think of it this way... would you rather be an absentee dad who finds out that your longlost son is about to be the president of the U.S.? Or, relish in the many memorable moments you share with your offspring along the way as he ends up being an entirely decent and respectable middle management rube?]

They made the finals at least (Utah). The Wolves are not even going to make the playoffs. Is it better to be the 12th pick or 4th in that scenario?

If you even have a remote chance of winning it all, tanking doesn't make sense. For everyone else it does.

PS. Being President of the US is not something to be proud of. Not in the last couple decades at least.

WolvesFan21 wrote:

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

thedoper wrote:I don't like the wording of the question either. The Ricky Bobby approach (if your not first, you're last) to NBA success has annoyed me in this era. A season is by no means a failure if you don't win a championship. All the player movement has set the narrative of championship or bust. But in that scenario how do you ever build a team? GS spent quite a few years finding their identity as a core before surging forward. Patience along with good moves is part of the equation. Unfortunately we may be incapable of good moves.

It's this new age of thinking that has me appreciating the SAS, Milwaukees, Utahs, Indianas, et al...

According to some... Malone and Stockton were failures.

"BLOW IT UP!!!"





[Note: The odd thing for me is when it's fans leading this way of thinking. We're the ones paying money and spending time with the team. Isn't it in our worst interest to consistently put out an inferior product just for the hope that someday it would be great? Think of it this way... would you rather be an absentee dad who finds out that your longlost son is about to be the president of the U.S.? Or, relish in the many memorable moments you share with your offspring along the way as he ends up being an entirely decent and respectable middle management rube?]

They made the finals at least (Utah). The Wolves are not even going to make the playoffs. Is it better to be the 12th pick or 4th in that scenario?

If you even have a remote chance of winning it all, tanking doesn't make sense. For everyone else it does.

PS. Being President of the US is not something to be proud of. Not in the last couple decades at least.

We disagree entirely.




[Note: Maybe not with the presidency... but seemingly in our thinking about the merits of sports entertainment/competitiveness vs. championship aspirations. Especially, considering your angle that the Wolves franchise should have been tanking in 29 of its 30 seasons...]

WolvesFan21 wrote:

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

thedoper wrote:I don't like the wording of the question either. The Ricky Bobby approach (if your not first, you're last) to NBA success has annoyed me in this era. A season is by no means a failure if you don't win a championship. All the player movement has set the narrative of championship or bust. But in that scenario how do you ever build a team? GS spent quite a few years finding their identity as a core before surging forward. Patience along with good moves is part of the equation. Unfortunately we may be incapable of good moves.

It's this new age of thinking that has me appreciating the SAS, Milwaukees, Utahs, Indianas, et al...

According to some... Malone and Stockton were failures.

"BLOW IT UP!!!"





[Note: The odd thing for me is when it's fans leading this way of thinking. We're the ones paying money and spending time with the team. Isn't it in our worst interest to consistently put out an inferior product just for the hope that someday it would be great? Think of it this way... would you rather be an absentee dad who finds out that your longlost son is about to be the president of the U.S.? Or, relish in the many memorable moments you share with your offspring along the way as he ends up being an entirely decent and respectable middle management rube?]

They made the finals at least (Utah). The Wolves are not even going to make the playoffs. Is it better to be the 12th pick or 4th in that scenario?

If you even have a remote chance of winning it all, tanking doesn't make sense. For everyone else it does.

PS. Being President of the US is not something to be proud of. Not in the last couple decades at least.

So we should sit Kat then. I don't know what constitutes tanking on this team. Our young guys are already paying

Should the sixers start tanking again. They have moved from the 2nd best team in east to the 4th. They are 1 offseason away from no cap space.

Should they trust the process again

kekgeek1 wrote:Should the sixers start tanking again. They have moved from the 2nd best team in east to the 4th. They are 1 offseason away from no cap space.

Should they trust the process again

Excatly. The question is more who has tanking worked for? Although San Antonio denies ever tanking they are probably the only team it really worked out well for. How long have Phoenix, Orlando, and Sacremento been bad for? We're right back into another 14 year cycle of losing if we throw in the towel now. Drafting well at whatever position you are at is the key with the draft. Not establishing a culture of losing as a gambling strategy for the once in a generation player who will leave after 6 years.

thedoper wrote:

kekgeek1 wrote:Should the sixers start tanking again. They have moved from the 2nd best team in east to the 4th. They are 1 offseason away from no cap space.

Should they trust the process again

Excatly. The question is more who has tanking worked for? Although San Antonio denies ever tanking they are probably the only team it really worked out well for. How long have Phoenix, Orlando, and Sacremento been bad for? We're right back into another 14 year cycle of losing if we throw in the towel now. Drafting well at whatever position you are at is the key with the draft. Not establishing a culture of losing as a gambling strategy for the once in a generation player who will leave after 6 years.

I also think it has more merit if we didn't have an all nba player on a max contract.

We might not make the playoffs but you can find players in the late lotto and at other picks.

Look at the good teams. Curry (6th), Thompson (11th), Draymond (2nd round), Kawhi (15th), Gianias (14th), Middleton, Lowry, Mitchell, Gobert, Hayward, capela, George.

There are so many guys that are all stars that were drafted later. It is up to the wolves to create a winning culture and draft well and get lucky.

In my opinion there is more merit to tanking when you don't have a stud. But we have a stud so let's try and create winning habits

By tanking... you're telling that stud player (and the other max contract sidekick) that he's not nearly good enough. Right or wrong... that certainly isn't building any sore of "winning culture" around them.

Wolves fans deserve better than what we've gotten. So that's why I don't want to go back to that point yet...