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khans2k5 wrote:

zigzag22 wrote:Toronto (as well as over half the league) is going to have major cap space next year and a MAJOR need for a rebounding, shot-blocking big man to pair with Jonas. Oh, and Thompson is Canadian. He basically has to survive one season and it guarantees him probably 5/100 million.

5/100 should scare the shit out of anyone trying to sign him. I really hope the market tells him to fuck off and take what he's actually worth. This is another one of those cases where a guy clearly isn't worth what he's already been offered and he still wants more. He scored 2 points in a finals game as a starter. I hope he ends up getting backup duty all year and struggles to find anything better than the 80 he was offered this year. I wish the league would do a better job of teams not overpaying all these mediocre players. It doesn't matter if the cap is going up. 20 million for 1 playoff stretch of good defense and rebounding is crap if you don't bring much to the table offensively in a league that is emphasizing spacing more and more every year.

Bold above....Cough....Rubio....cough

Toronto (as well as over half the league) is going to have major cap space next year and a MAJOR need for a rebounding, shot-blocking big man to pair with Jonas. Oh, and Thompson is Canadian. He basically has to survive one season and it guarantees him probably 5/100 million.


I think this is correct. I think Tristan wants out of Cleveland, as he does not want to play second fiddle to Love, and two, he can get big bucks from Toronto. I personally would hold out a year to get out of Cleveland and go to Toronto

Hicks123 wrote:

khans2k5 wrote:

zigzag22 wrote:Toronto (as well as over half the league) is going to have major cap space next year and a MAJOR need for a rebounding, shot-blocking big man to pair with Jonas. Oh, and Thompson is Canadian. He basically has to survive one season and it guarantees him probably 5/100 million.

5/100 should scare the shit out of anyone trying to sign him. I really hope the market tells him to fuck off and take what he's actually worth. This is another one of those cases where a guy clearly isn't worth what he's already been offered and he still wants more. He scored 2 points in a finals game as a starter. I hope he ends up getting backup duty all year and struggles to find anything better than the 80 he was offered this year. I wish the league would do a better job of teams not overpaying all these mediocre players. It doesn't matter if the cap is going up. 20 million for 1 playoff stretch of good defense and rebounding is crap if you don't bring much to the table offensively in a league that is emphasizing spacing more and more every year.

Bold above....Cough....Rubio....cough

Rubio's deal is gonna look like a steal moving forward based on these other deals being handed out. Thompson turned down 16/year which is already more than Ricky and I think Ricky is a more impactful player. I'm talking guys like Thompson and Reggie Jackson that frankly don't deserve what they want/are getting. Max PG's are gonna be making 28+ million moving forward and we'll have Ricky at 14.

Somebody smart will have to explain where all this new money is coming from. New cable deal? Aren't people dropping cable now for Netflixand the like?

LloydBraun wrote:Somebody smart will have to explain where all this new money is coming from. New cable deal? Aren't people dropping cable now for Netflixand the like?

The new TV deal (which is just an extension with ESPN and TNT) is worth 2.66 billion per year and the old one was worth 930 million per year and half of that has to be paid out to the players as part of their 50% BRI stake. That's an extra 865 million dollars a year that needs to be paid out to all the players in the league on top of what they're already being paid. Sports are one of the few things left keeping cable TV alive and these massive TV deals don't exist if the NBA decided to let you pay them just to watch your team's games and keep them On Demand for you for a reasonable price.

These deals exist because the league puts lots eyeballs on their networks so they can make a bunch of ad money and if the league provided a decent alternative to watching that content online, these networks wouldn't give them this much money. There's just not a ton of ad revenue for online content compared to a couple million people watching an NBA playoff game on TV so these networks will pay the NBA a boatload of cash for a product that gets a good chunk of people watching their network so they can get that ad money and the NBA doesn't go online because they can't make nearly the same kind of money as this TV deal. The league would end up losing a lot of income because the subscription fees, online ad revenue and lower TV deals because of the divided attention a reasonable online platform would present just would never add up to 2.66 billion a year so they don't have much of an online presence outside of league pass which is pricey to get when compared to Netflix or Hulu.

TT is not good enough to build around him, he is not good enough to be something like 2-3 best player for championship team aswell, the money Cavs are offering is absolute max of what market has for him, as he has much higher value for Cavs than for any other team, as they want to win now and cant replace him as they are cap limited

On the other hand, i think it is valid idea to think that Cavs could sign decent vet free agent who wants to win a ring next summer for mid level money right? Mid level should go up as the cap goes up right?

I still think there is like 95 perc. chance they will sign an agreement before the deadline

The point that has been made about plenty of eyeballs on regular broadcast TV is absolutely right. The NBA is popular and to watch a lot of games you can just have basic cable and in some local areas you may not even need that to watch some local games. Plenty of people are going to keep watching via typical broadcast TV whether at home at a friend's house at the sports bar etc.

I will add that the NBA has been online for years. The upside on that front for them is they get people (like me in the past who has never paid for cable or dish) to pay up front for the service and remember probably the biggest market for that is outside the US. On top of that they get some ad revenue as well and it's only going to grow. Also for the NBA broadband service if you are a serious fan that's gonna watch like 50 or more games. It's really a pretty good deal a lot better than paying for a cable or dish service AND then paying for the NBA league pass. Like Netflix and Hulu you pay less and get significantly more content and its on demand compared to cable or dish etc. Compare NBA league pass to how many games you get for any NFL package and it looks like a killer deal and MLB is the most games for the least money but who is gonna watch even all 162 games of just one team? Lol My brother has the MLB online package and baseball is his favorite sport and he doesn't watch every game. Online is a great way to watch sports but a lot of people are going to go with a more conventional route.

I just wanted to clarify that the NBA is online and will likely continue to grow that over the years I have seen them make significant improvements to it and make it a much better experience overall. They have a pretty good setup if eyeballs start going more that way and they will get plenty of ad dollars there too. There is plenty of cash to go around from ad dollars that's unlikely to be a problem for either the league or the advertisers.

Thanks Kahns. I had no idea there was such a big increase from ESPN and TNT. I guess their superstar marketing is catching on and international interest is probably growing as well. I'm honestly surprised they're doing so well after the last strike.