Andre Drummond and the FT thing....

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Wow, I am actually surprised by the responses.

In my mind, there is a foul related to the flow of the game....completely acceptable. Then there is an intentional foul, which can/should be treated differently. When KJ McDaniel fouls Drummond 5 times in less than 10 seconds, that is not part of "the game". The design of the Free Throw was not intended as a way to improve the fouling teams chance to win, but rather as a deterant to fouling.

And for Porkchop
I don't think a team should be rewarded further for having a player that can't hit freethrows.
I could ask the same question back....should a team that intentionally fouls a guy like 20+ times be rewarded for playing against said player?

And I just don't see it in the same vein as Jason writes. The situation created in the intentional hacking strategy is very different than those examples provided.

I will state that I am actually not passionate about this rule in either direction. While I am a huge basketball fan, I simply don't get enough time anymore to watch many games. But I do fall on the side that says intentionally fouling a player 21 times in a game isn't simply "part of the game". But, thems the rules.
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It's simple. They thought it was bad enough to not allow it in the last two minutes of the game so why is it acceptable the rest of the game? Either extend the rule to the whole game or allow it the whole game. There shouldn't be different rules based on what time it is in the game (I think the same way about the bonus rules).
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It's a practical strategy. How are they being rewarded? They are taking a risk that the fouled player gets two opportunities to score the easiest points in all of basketball.

Intention walks, onside kicks, prevent defense.. All strategies used a small percentage of the time to gain an edge in a business where the difference between an W and L means millions of dollars .

I remember cursing everytime Barry Bonds got walked, took a lot of fun out of the game but it certainly was a sound strategy.
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PorkChop wrote:It's a practical strategy. How are they being rewarded? They are taking a risk that the fouled player gets two opportunities to score the easiest points in all of basketball.

Intention walks, onside kicks, prevent defense.. All strategies used a small percentage of the time to gain an edge in a busy where the difference between an W and L means millions of dollars .

I remember cursing everytime Barry Bonds got walked, took a lot of fun out of the game but it certainly was a sound strategy.


Pro sports have moved past pure competition and are now heavily entertainment based. They exist for our entertainment more than they exist to put the best players/teams in the world up against each other because we pay a lot of the bills. All rules should be re-evaluated and take the entertainment of the fan into account and some of them should change. It's not like the pro rules are the standard in every sport and trickle down to the lower levels. Hack-a-Shaw became a rule for a reason and that was for 1 player. If you can make the game more entertaining via slight tweaks you should do it.
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Well stuff like this really frustrates me . In a way its just another example of the entitlement of America . Cant make your free throws? That's okay we'll change the rules so you have no consequences for your actions. No one should know the feeling of failure becuz thats hurtful and we're mentally weak as a society now. Participation ribbons for everyone!!!!
How's that for a tangent!!!
Its definitely a reach on my part, but when you add it to the long list of things that are happening in this country even the little things become annoying.
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PorkChop wrote:Well stuff like this really frustrates me . In a way its just another example of the entitlement of America . Cant make your free throws? That's okay we'll change the rules so you have no consequences for your actions. No one should know the feeling of failure becuz thats hurtful and we're mentally weak as a society now. Participation ribbons for everyone!!!!
How's that for a tangent!!!
Its definitely a reach on my part, but when you add it to the long list of things that are happening in this country even the little things become annoying.


Is it a basketball play to foul someone 50ft from the ball to force them to shoot fee throws instead of having to defend them? To me that's a coward's move. I think that is the mentally weak move. You're getting beat so take the easy way out and foul a poor FT shooter to get your losing ass back in the game because you can't beat them straight up. You have to win via gimmick. That's how I see it. The rule change would be to stop a gimmick from potentially winning a game and force you to beat your opponent straight up like a real competitor and not like the ass hole using loopholes and shortcuts to success. It's not good for the competition nor the entertainment so why is it allowed?
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Hicks: You may have not liked my first paragraph, but the next two were very helpful not only to Drummond, but to anyone who plays and/or instructs basketball.

Khans: Coward? Really? What's more cowardly than crying about how the other team is giving you two points and you're too inept to take advantage? And what's more cowardly than refusing to admit that he is too busy banging that Disney chick to work on his free throws?
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Win by any means necessary within the rules of the game. Sports is all about exploiting the other teams weakness. Make your shots don't get exploited . Or sit the bench and avoid it all together .
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JasonIsDaMan wrote:Hicks: You may have not liked my first paragraph, but the next two were very helpful not only to Drummond, but to anyone who plays and/or instructs basketball.

Khans: Coward? Really? What's more cowardly than crying about how the other team is giving you two points and you're too inept to take advantage? And what's more cowardly than refusing to admit that he is too busy banging that Disney chick to work on his free throws?


Do you hear any of the teams it's affecting bitching about it? I don't, so I don't get your remark. I guess you were a fan when Commodus (Joaquin Phoenix) stabbed Maximus (Russell Crowe) in the side before their fight in The Gladiator to give him an advantage because it was allowed under the rules.
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khans2k5 wrote:
JasonIsDaMan wrote:Hicks: You may have not liked my first paragraph, but the next two were very helpful not only to Drummond, but to anyone who plays and/or instructs basketball.

Khans: Coward? Really? What's more cowardly than crying about how the other team is giving you two points and you're too inept to take advantage? And what's more cowardly than refusing to admit that he is too busy banging that Disney chick to work on his free throws?


Do you hear any of the teams it's affecting bitching about it? I don't, so I don't get your remark. I guess you were a fan when Commodus (Joaquin Phoenix) stabbed Maximus (Russell Crowe) in the side before their fight in The Gladiator to give him an advantage because it was allowed under the rules.


Oh sheesh, I thought my comments above were a stretch!:)
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