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Re: 13th in the West...

Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2013 12:39 am
by thedoper
lipoli390 wrote:Yes, the schedule has been tough. But consider this.

1. Portland beat a great Indiana Pacer team tonight the day after beating the Lakers in LA. The Blazers beat the Bulls at home on Nov. 22 and the next night beat a very good Golden State team on the road by 12 points. The Blazers opened the season beating Denver on the road and the next night Portland beat the Spurs.

2. The Warriors are ahead of the Wolves in spite of losing a key starter, Iggy.

3. The Nuggets are ahead of the Wolves even though their best shooter is still out with an ACL injury, while at the same time they lost both Iggy and their head coach George Karl over the summer.

4. The Wolves have lost to both the Wizards and Cavs.

I'm not ready to sound any alarm bells yet. But there is definitely cause for concern. Watching the Wolves closely over the first month of the season, it just seems to me something important is missing. It's not just the bench; it's the starters too. This team just doesn't seem built to be a playoff team in the West. We're a plodding, jump-shooting team without a top rotation player who can create his own shot off the dribble. That's not going to get it done in the West. That's a prescription for a lottery pick in the West. Golden State is largely a jump-shooting team, but they are great from behind the arc while the Wolves are not. And GS is also better defensively than the Wolves.

We'll see. When the schedule eases up, the Wolves may make up a lot of lost ground and get on track for that 6th-8th seed most of us were pretty sure they'd get. But it's troubling to see how deficient this team is.


Plodding jump shooting + Flip Saunders. Should we have expected anything else. The way Adelman rides the starters we need something. Just one more player to really challenge for a starting spot. It would wake up the rest of the starters as well.

Re: 13th in the West...

Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2013 11:00 am
by Q12543 [enjin:6621299]
Being in the West continues to be a curse. Last night New Orleans beats Chicago in triple OT, Portland beats Indiana, and San Antonio beats Atlanta. We get absolutely zero help from Eastern Conference teams. Right now Washington is the 3rd seed in the East with a 9-9 record. I've never seen the imbalance this bad.

Re: 13th in the West...

Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2013 11:38 am
by AbeVigodaLive
Q12543 wrote:Being in the West continues to be a curse. Last night New Orleans beats Chicago in triple OT, Portland beats Indiana, and San Antonio beats Atlanta. We get absolutely zero help from Eastern Conference teams. Right now Washington is the 3rd seed in the East with a 9-9 record. I've never seen the imbalance this bad.



Terribly imbalanced. But, give those West teams a bit of credit. Portland and New Orleans won on the back-end of back-to-backs after traveling the night before.

By the way, the Wolves won 44 games in 2005 and missed the playoffs. The #3 seed in the East had 45 wins. The #4 seed in the West had 58 wins.

Re: 13th in the West...

Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2013 11:52 am
by Q12543 [enjin:6621299]
AbeVigodaLive wrote:
Q12543 wrote:Being in the West continues to be a curse. Last night New Orleans beats Chicago in triple OT, Portland beats Indiana, and San Antonio beats Atlanta. We get absolutely zero help from Eastern Conference teams. Right now Washington is the 3rd seed in the East with a 9-9 record. I've never seen the imbalance this bad.



Terribly imbalanced. But, give those West teams a bit of credit. Portland and New Orleans won on the back-end of back-to-backs after traveling the night before.

By the way, the Wolves won 44 games in 2005 and missed the playoffs. The #3 seed in the East had 45 wins. The #4 seed in the West had 58 wins.



Yeah, pretty incredible. You are correct though. These West teams are incredibly talented and deep. Denver was supposed to implode this year after losing Iggy and Brewer, but nope, they hardly miss a beat as pick-ups like Nate Robinson and JJ Hickson are doing just great for them and guys like Mozgov and Hamilton developed into better players. Meanwhile, our young guys like Shved and Williams (before he was traded) go backwards.

Re: 13th in the West...

Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2013 8:19 pm
by Lipoli390
Kahn failed miserably compared to other Western Conference teams when it comes to accumulating talent. The spotlight has now turned to Flip and Adelman. They inherited enough to build on and work with in my view. We'll see over the next 9 months whether Flip and Adelman can perform on par with their counterparts in the West. So far, neither one has been particularly impressive.

Re: 13th in the West...

Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2013 8:28 pm
by TAFKASP
lipoli390 wrote:Kahn failed miserably compared to other Western Conference teams when it comes to accumulating talent. The spotlight has now turned to Flip and Adelman. They inherited enough to build on and work with in my view. So far, neither looks very impressive. We'll see over the next 9 months whether Flip and Adelman can perform on par with their counterparts in the West. So far, neither one has been particularly impressive.


That's not really fair to Flip and Adelman as they inherited some nice talent but they also inherited some severe restrictions on their ability to improve it. In Khan's case he had the luxury of a few years to rebuild, thus he could trade off pieces for picks or young, troubled talent to gamble on, yet he failed with all the resources he acquired. Flip has to try to find a way with limited cap room to fill in a number of blanks, more blanks than cap room to deal. Further the second line talent was non-existent, meaning his ability to trade non-starters for additional help was limited. For Flip it's the equivalent of trying to win a fight with both hands tied behind his back.

Re: 13th in the West...

Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2013 9:02 pm
by mjs34
Lip, why are you separating Adelman from Kahn. He was present for half of Kahn's tenure with the wolves. I was excited when Adelman signed on, and still remember the press conference when he said he would mold his system around our talent. Unfortunately, that didn't happen. Instead we have been trying to completely remake our team, and usually at the cost of the future.

Re: 13th in the West...

Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2013 9:05 pm
by thedoper
sjm34 wrote:Lip, why are you separating Adelman from Kahn. He was present for half of Kahn's tenure with the wolves. I was excited when Adelman signed on, and still remember the press conference when he said he would mold his system around our talent. Unfortunately, that didn't happen. Instead we have been trying to completely remake our team, and usually at the cost of the future.


But Shabazz hit a 3 last game.