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Then the Wolves have played alot of pick and roll offenses this season. Anf if thats so then theres no sample size this season to say hes a good one on one defender..

Brian Scalabrine, Mark Madsen, Ricky Rubio..... Loved by all except the bottom of the net. ;)

PorkChop wrote:I guess I dont get the point of this thread, unless your just looking for a silver lining. For all the good things they do defensively their worse offensively, None of them can shoot and the only one who can find other ways to score is Brewer who is dependent on outlet passes to get him involved. Even then he never chooses to back off if its three on one. He'll throw that ball at the rim hell or high water.. He doesnt make good decisions with the ball in his hands.
I dont care if we have 3 versions of Rodman on this squad, if they cant contribute effieciently on the offensive end thyre as much a detriment as anything.. For all this talk about Rubios defense this team sure gives up big games to pgs on a nightly basis. If he was as good of a one on one defender like you say we shouldnt be seeing that.

Is it clearer for you now?

No not really. Wolves shooting percentage is 22nd in the league at 43% and their 22nd in the league defensively in fg% given up at 46%, Not exactly a glowing endorsement of what we're talking bout here,

PorkChop wrote:No not really. Wolves shooting percentage is 22nd in the league at 43% and their 22nd in the league defensively in fg% given up at 46%, Not exactly a glowing endorsement of what we're talking bout here,

I'm glad we started the season with Mbah a Moute and those numbers involve him... Oh wait, they don't.

PorkChop wrote:No not really. Wolves shooting percentage is 22nd in the league at 43% and their 22nd in the league defensively in fg% given up at 46%, Not exactly a glowing endorsement of what we're talking bout here,

Cool, I try to explain it a different way.

Luc gives us the equivalent of an "option" in the financial world. The beauty of an option in the financial world that you don't need to use the option for it to have value. One only uses the option when it is beneficial to the user.

I used the example of fielding one of the best 1,2,3 defensive combos in the league to give one of the most extreme examples of the options that we now have.

It think that it is very clear that the wolves don't have that hard of a time scoring. Last night is a good example. The 2 players that we are building the team around (Love and Rubio) shot a collective 10-26 ( .384%, love alone shot .428% ) and we still scored 112 points. Obviously we have multiple "options" as to how to score.

With the addition of Luc, we now have more "options" on how to stop opposing teams. If a team has all of its scorers on the floor at the same time, then we can play them very well with our defensive 1,2,3 "option". If there are just 1 or 2 players on the court that can score very effectively we can use some of our other lineup "options".

Again, last night was a good example of this. Brewer played 34 minutes most of which was played before the 4th quarter (I believe he only played about 30 seconds at the end of the game, with Luc, when we were going for a finial stop, again a great example of an effective lineup "option")

So we were able to leave a very good defender in (Brewer) for 34 minutes, all before the 4th quarter. Then, in the 4th quarter we were still able to have a very good (and relatively fresh) defender to close out the game.

The fact that we have a good defender at the 1,2,and 3 positions, does not mean that we have to play them all together, but we could if we wanted to.

The punch line of all of this is that very few teams have the levels of defensive capabilities at the 1,2, and 3 that we have.

Some on this board seem concerned that our offense is going to be bad now that we have Luc. That is simply absurd. We still have the EXACT SAME offense that has proven to be one of the best in the league. Now we just have more, and better "options" on our defensive end.

And we still can field one of the best 1,2,3 defensive lineups in the league, should we feel the need to pursue that option.

Camden wrote:

PorkChop wrote:No not really. Wolves shooting percentage is 22nd in the league at 43% and their 22nd in the league defensively in fg% given up at 46%, Not exactly a glowing endorsement of what we're talking bout here,

I'm glad we started the season with Mbah a Moute and those numbers involve him... Oh wait, they don't.

Lol .....true Cam......... or we could point out that Luc is a far more efficient scorer than D-Will, so this trade makes us offensively better, but that wasn't the main point of the thread.

markkbu wrote:

PorkChop wrote:No not really. Wolves shooting percentage is 22nd in the league at 43% and their 22nd in the league defensively in fg% given up at 46%, Not exactly a glowing endorsement of what we're talking bout here,

Cool, I try to explain it a different way.

Luc gives us the equivalent of an "option" in the financial world. The beauty of an option in the financial world that you don't need to use the option for it to have value. One only uses the option when it is beneficial to the user.

I used the example of fielding one of the best 1,2,3 defensive combos in the league to give one of the most extreme examples of the options that we now have.

It think that it is very clear that the wolves don't have that hard of a time scoring. Last night is a good example. The 2 players that we are building the team around (Love and Rubio) shot a collective 10-26 ( .384%, love alone shot .428% ) and we still scored 112 points. Obviously we have multiple "options" as to how to score.

With the addition of Luc, we now have more "options" on how to stop opposing teams. If a team has all of its scorers on the floor at the same time, then we can play them very well with our defensive 1,2,3 "option". If there are just 1 or 2 players on the court that can score very effectively we can use some of our other lineup "options".

Again, last night was a good example of this. Brewer played 34 minutes most of which was played before the 4th quarter (I believe he only played about 30 seconds at the end of the game, with Luc, when we were going for a finial stop, again a great example of an effective lineup "option")

So we were able to leave a very good defender in (Brewer) for 34 minutes, all before the 4th quarter. Then, in the 4th quarter we were still able to have a very good (and relatively fresh) defender to close out the game.

The fact that we have a good defender at the 1,2,and 3 positions, does not mean that we have to play them all together, but we could if we wanted to.

The punch line of all of this is that very few teams have the levels of defensive capabilities at the 1,2, and 3 that we have.

Some on this board seem concerned that our offense is going to be bad now that we have Luc. That is simply absurd. We still have the EXACT SAME offense that has proven to be one of the best in the league. Now we just have more, and better "options" on our defensive end.

And we still can field one of the best 1,2,3 defensive lineups in the league, should we feel the need to pursue that option.

Let me see if I understand your option theory, markkbu. Are you saying we can "put" Corey and MaM on the court at the same time when the situation "calls" for it? :idea:

longstrangetrip wrote:

markkbu wrote:

PorkChop wrote:No not really. Wolves shooting percentage is 22nd in the league at 43% and their 22nd in the league defensively in fg% given up at 46%, Not exactly a glowing endorsement of what we're talking bout here,

Cool, I try to explain it a different way.

Luc gives us the equivalent of an "option" in the financial world. The beauty of an option in the financial world that you don't need to use the option for it to have value. One only uses the option when it is beneficial to the user.

I used the example of fielding one of the best 1,2,3 defensive combos in the league to give one of the most extreme examples of the options that we now have.

It think that it is very clear that the wolves don't have that hard of a time scoring. Last night is a good example. The 2 players that we are building the team around (Love and Rubio) shot a collective 10-26 ( .384%, love alone shot .428% ) and we still scored 112 points. Obviously we have multiple "options" as to how to score.

With the addition of Luc, we now have more "options" on how to stop opposing teams. If a team has all of its scorers on the floor at the same time, then we can play them very well with our defensive 1,2,3 "option". If there are just 1 or 2 players on the court that can score very effectively we can use some of our other lineup "options".

Again, last night was a good example of this. Brewer played 34 minutes most of which was played before the 4th quarter (I believe he only played about 30 seconds at the end of the game, with Luc, when we were going for a finial stop, again a great example of an effective lineup "option")

So we were able to leave a very good defender in (Brewer) for 34 minutes, all before the 4th quarter. Then, in the 4th quarter we were still able to have a very good (and relatively fresh) defender to close out the game.

The fact that we have a good defender at the 1,2,and 3 positions, does not mean that we have to play them all together, but we could if we wanted to.

The punch line of all of this is that very few teams have the levels of defensive capabilities at the 1,2, and 3 that we have.

Some on this board seem concerned that our offense is going to be bad now that we have Luc. That is simply absurd. We still have the EXACT SAME offense that has proven to be one of the best in the league. Now we just have more, and better "options" on our defensive end.

And we still can field one of the best 1,2,3 defensive lineups in the league, should we feel the need to pursue that option.

Let me see if I understand your option theory, markkbu. Are you saying we can "put" Corey and MaM on the court at the same time when the situation "calls" for it? :idea:

Something like that... ;)

longstrangetrip wrote:

markkbu wrote:

PorkChop wrote:No not really. Wolves shooting percentage is 22nd in the league at 43% and their 22nd in the league defensively in fg% given up at 46%, Not exactly a glowing endorsement of what we're talking bout here,

Cool, I try to explain it a different way.

Luc gives us the equivalent of an "option" in the financial world. The beauty of an option in the financial world that you don't need to use the option for it to have value. One only uses the option when it is beneficial to the user.

I used the example of fielding one of the best 1,2,3 defensive combos in the league to give one of the most extreme examples of the options that we now have.

It think that it is very clear that the wolves don't have that hard of a time scoring. Last night is a good example. The 2 players that we are building the team around (Love and Rubio) shot a collective 10-26 ( .384%, love alone shot .428% ) and we still scored 112 points. Obviously we have multiple "options" as to how to score.

With the addition of Luc, we now have more "options" on how to stop opposing teams. If a team has all of its scorers on the floor at the same time, then we can play them very well with our defensive 1,2,3 "option". If there are just 1 or 2 players on the court that can score very effectively we can use some of our other lineup "options".

Again, last night was a good example of this. Brewer played 34 minutes most of which was played before the 4th quarter (I believe he only played about 30 seconds at the end of the game, with Luc, when we were going for a finial stop, again a great example of an effective lineup "option")

So we were able to leave a very good defender in (Brewer) for 34 minutes, all before the 4th quarter. Then, in the 4th quarter we were still able to have a very good (and relatively fresh) defender to close out the game.

The fact that we have a good defender at the 1,2,and 3 positions, does not mean that we have to play them all together, but we could if we wanted to.

The punch line of all of this is that very few teams have the levels of defensive capabilities at the 1,2, and 3 that we have.

Some on this board seem concerned that our offense is going to be bad now that we have Luc. That is simply absurd. We still have the EXACT SAME offense that has proven to be one of the best in the league. Now we just have more, and better "options" on our defensive end.

And we still can field one of the best 1,2,3 defensive lineups in the league, should we feel the need to pursue that option.

Let me see if I understand your option theory, markkbu. Are you saying we can "put" Corey and MaM on the court at the same time when the situation "calls" for it? :idea:

LOL... :lol: :D ....i think that you probably understand it better than I do.....

And yet you think your line of thinking should be clearer for me after one game?

All I know is there is three guys on this squad that do or will be logging alot of minutes, If you think playing decent defense will cancel out all of their offensive deficiencies all I can say is look at the record. With the additions this team made their still playing .500 ball and giving up 102 pts a game. Obviously having only two viable scorers on the floor isnt working, Unless your happy treading water and missing the playoffs.