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Re: One Reason for the Loss Tonight
Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2013 10:31 pm
by Q12543 [enjin:6621299]
CoolBreeze44 wrote:Q12543 wrote:We lost for a lot of reasons. We lost because our defense was horrible in the first half, which seems to be a trend of late. We lost because our bench, including Barea, was just awful. We lost because Rubio made a crucial turnover on a pass he tried to get to Pek with about a minute left when we were down 2. And we lost because of a blatant missed call by the ref.
At the end of the day though, I put the most blame on our bench. They were a collective 2-12 and scored 5 points. That is just pathetic. Adelman decided it was time to put Shved out of his misery and instead plugged Hummel in to sub for Martin in the 2nd half as we were making our comeback. And he blew two very nice looks on 3-balls that would have given us a little bit of breathing room. That's not to pin the blame on him more than any of our other bench fodder, but the guy is on the roster precisely to hit those shots. We desperately need a healthy and fully functioning Chase Budinger back in the lineup.
So Adelman staying with that bench for too long had nothing to do with the loss? Okay.
He brought Rubio in with nearly 4 minutes left. I'm not sure if bringing him in two or three minutes earlier would have made the difference in the game or not. Pinning the loss on that one decision seems pretty specious to me. He also happened to play Pek and Love 40 minutes and Martin over 35 minutes. Remember, these are the three guys, along with Rubio, that we have all been worried like hell about playing too much and getting injured.
The bottom-line is multiple factors contributed to this loss. In hindsight, subbing in Rubio for Barea earlier may have helped the cause, but I can point to multiple other factors that affected our chances just as much, if not more.
Re: One Reason for the Loss Tonight
Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2013 10:38 pm
by Coolbreeze44
Well sure multiple factors contributed. But if Rubio played the last 6 minutes of the game I don't think there is any question we would have won. It was just a stupid, stupid ploy to keep JJ on the floor that long at the expense of our leader who was having an outstanding game. Did you see the game? We lost our mojo in those 2 or 3 minutes you cite. We went from being up 3 to down 7 I believe. Would not have happened had Ricky been out there,.
Re: One Reason for the Loss Tonight
Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2013 10:41 pm
by Camden [enjin:6601484]
PorkChop wrote:No one thinks, Wow our starting pg scored 4 pts again ? Imo all starters need to score more than that regardless of other contributions.
We blame the bench for the lack of scoring but give Rubio a free pass? "He would try and pass in a game of one on one at this point".
I would rip Rubio for only scoring 4 points more... except it's tough to be angry about 13 assists, 9 rebounds, 3 steals and didn't shoot extra poorly. He only took three shots, made one. Made both his FTs too. This one's not on Ricky tonight. Not to mention Adelman put him in later than he needed to be.
Re: One Reason for the Loss Tonight
Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2013 10:47 pm
by Q12543 [enjin:6621299]
We were down 4 when JJ entered the game for Rubio. We then proceeded to take the lead during JJ's stint and then lose it again because we couldn't hit a freakin' open shot to save our lives. We were down 5 when Rubio came back in. I would hardly "guarantee" that we would win if Rubio had been subbed in a few minutes earlier. Also, Rubio made a crucial turnover in the closing minute that helped cost us the game. Adelman probably made a mistake by not getting Ricky back in shortly after our momentum stopped after taking the lead briefly. But I don't think that's what cost us the game.
Re: One Reason for the Loss Tonight
Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2013 10:53 pm
by Coolbreeze44
Q12543 wrote:We were down 4 when JJ entered the game for Rubio. We then proceeded to take the lead during JJ's stint and then lose it again because we couldn't hit a freakin' open shot to save our lives. We were down 5 when Rubio came back in. I would hardly "guarantee" that we would win if Rubio had been subbed in a few minutes earlier. Also, Rubio made a crucial turnover in the closing minute that helped cost us the game. Adelman probably made a mistake by not getting Ricky back in shortly after our momentum stopped after taking the lead briefly. But I don't think that's what cost us the game.
Jeez, you can be anal retentive sometimes. Ricky sat FOR 10 MINUTES!!!!!! No excuse for that. And your Goddam right we would have won the game had he come back sooner. Goodness gracious.
Re: One Reason for the Loss Tonight
Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2013 10:54 pm
by mjs34
They lost this game in the first half by not coming out ready to play. It seems to happen too often. I think the blame goes squarely on the players shoulders. It is one thing to not hit your shots, but something completely different to come out after a couple days rest and not make an effort defensively.
Re: One Reason for the Loss Tonight
Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2013 10:56 pm
by Porckchop
Camden0916 wrote:PorkChop wrote:No one thinks, Wow our starting pg scored 4 pts again ? Imo all starters need to score more than that regardless of other contributions.
We blame the bench for the lack of scoring but give Rubio a free pass? "He would try and pass in a game of one on one at this point".
I would rip Rubio for only scoring 4 points more... except it's tough to be angry about 13 assists, 9 rebounds, 3 steals and didn't shoot extra poorly. He only took three shots, made one. Made both his FTs too. This one's not on Ricky tonight. Not to mention Adelman put him in later than he needed to be.
Tough to shoot extra poorly when u only take 3 shots its also sad when we have to point out that " he made both his fts." At some point fans have to look at these close games and acknowledge if we had a scorer at the point we'd win some of those games.
And when I say a scorer I dont mean he has to be Gary Payton. But good lord is 12 pts to much?
Re: One Reason for the Loss Tonight
Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2013 11:02 pm
by Camden [enjin:6601484]
PorkChop wrote:Camden0916 wrote:PorkChop wrote:No one thinks, Wow our starting pg scored 4 pts again ? Imo all starters need to score more than that regardless of other contributions.
We blame the bench for the lack of scoring but give Rubio a free pass? "He would try and pass in a game of one on one at this point".
I would rip Rubio for only scoring 4 points more... except it's tough to be angry about 13 assists, 9 rebounds, 3 steals and didn't shoot extra poorly. He only took three shots, made one. Made both his FTs too. This one's not on Ricky tonight. Not to mention Adelman put him in later than he needed to be.
Tough to shoot extra poorly when u only take 3 shots its also sad when we have to point out that " he made both his fts." At some point fans have to look at these close games and acknowledge if we had a scorer at the point we'd win some of those games.
That was my point. It's not like he went 2 for 8 or 3 for 11 or anything like that. 1 for 3 is something I can live with given that he contributes elite numbers in practically everything else (assists, rebounds, steals, defense) and our scorers (Love, Pek, Martin) are scoring, which they were.
Our bench was horrible. Adelman wasn't that great tonight either. The ref fucked us in the biggest play of the game and we lost. Those three elements come way before putting blame on Rubio's inability to score tonight.
Re: One Reason for the Loss Tonight
Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2013 11:03 pm
by Q12543 [enjin:6621299]
CoolBreeze44 wrote:Q12543 wrote:We were down 4 when JJ entered the game for Rubio. We then proceeded to take the lead during JJ's stint and then lose it again because we couldn't hit a freakin' open shot to save our lives. We were down 5 when Rubio came back in. I would hardly "guarantee" that we would win if Rubio had been subbed in a few minutes earlier. Also, Rubio made a crucial turnover in the closing minute that helped cost us the game. Adelman probably made a mistake by not getting Ricky back in shortly after our momentum stopped after taking the lead briefly. But I don't think that's what cost us the game.
Jeez, you can be anal retentive sometimes. Ricky sat FOR 10 MINUTES!!!!!! No excuse for that. And your Goddam right we would have won the game had he come back sooner. Goodness gracious.
Cool, You have it in for Adelman, I get that. It's funny how we don't hear from you until there is a reason for you to criticize Rick.
What ever happened to the +1 part?
Re: One Reason for the Loss Tonight
Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2013 11:08 pm
by AbeVigodaLive
Camden wrote:PorkChop wrote:Camden0916 wrote:PorkChop wrote:No one thinks, Wow our starting pg scored 4 pts again ? Imo all starters need to score more than that regardless of other contributions.
We blame the bench for the lack of scoring but give Rubio a free pass? "He would try and pass in a game of one on one at this point".
I would rip Rubio for only scoring 4 points more... except it's tough to be angry about 13 assists, 9 rebounds, 3 steals and didn't shoot extra poorly. He only took three shots, made one. Made both his FTs too. This one's not on Ricky tonight. Not to mention Adelman put him in later than he needed to be.
Tough to shoot extra poorly when u only take 3 shots its also sad when we have to point out that " he made both his fts." At some point fans have to look at these close games and acknowledge if we had a scorer at the point we'd win some of those games.
That was my point. It's not like he went 2 for 8 or 3 for 11 or anything like that. 1 for 3 is something I can live with given that he contributes elite numbers in practically everything else (assists, rebounds, steals, defense) and our scorers (Love, Pek, Martin) are scoring, which they were.
Our bench was horrible. Adelman wasn't that great tonight either. The ref fucked us in the biggest play of the game and we lost. Those three elements come way before putting blame on Rubio's inability to score tonight.
You canNOT live with a starting PG shooting 1 - 3 in today's NBA. It does NOT work.
Sorry. Rubio is a gifted passer and has flair and charm and steals and many other factors. But you canNOT be a good NBA team if your PG can't score. That's not how the league is set up with the rules they have in place.
Your PG MUST be able to be a threat offensively for spacing reasons... but more importantly for close games where you need a bucket.
I am not in any way blaming Rubio for the loss. But it's no secret I've been frustrated with the Rubio apologists for 3 seasons now. There is always somebody else to blame...