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I really don't understand why several of you like Ariza so much. He's been mediocre his whole career except for one year in Houston and even that year wasn't anything to rave about. 28 year old bench-worthy SF on the last year of his contract. So, if you want that expiring contract, that's not a good enough reason to trade D-Will away. Ariza's OK on defense, maybe a tick or two above average. Not good on iso defense, but he is a plus off-ball defender and help defender.

Still wouldn't trade D-Will for Ariza, though.

I think Ariza is a very good on-ball defender. I don't love the guy, but I think he'd be an upgrade and would give us a solid starting SF.

You forgot to mention Corey's short arms! :roll:

60WinTim wrote:You forgot to mention Corey's short arms! :roll:

Lol. You know me all too well, Tim. :)

I wonder if Wilson Chandler could be had for DWilliams?

bleedspeed177 wrote:I wonder if Wilson Chandler could be had for DWilliams?

If we could get Wilson Chandler for D-Will, I think we'd have done it already. :(

I'd love to get Chandler, though.

The only way to fill the holes on this team is to trade Love for multiple pieces. You can't trade away guys you just signed because then it will make it even harder to get people to sign here in the future. D Will clearly doesn't have the value to bring back what we need. I'd shut down Bud for the year because he will be a complete waste of money if he doesn't get his knees fixed this year. Start D Will at the 3. Then see where we are at the deadline and make the decision on Love. The fact is a bottom 4 seed isn't keeping Love here and that seems to be the range Flip has capped us at with his signings.

The one trade that I am finding hard to look at and not do would be Love and Bazz to the Jazz for Favors, Hayward, Rush and a first round pick. Favors can be the defensive anchor we need and then we could roll with a Williams, Favors, Pek frontcourt with scoring and defense on the floor at almost all times. Williams would finally play his role of scoring 4 off the bench that I think is where he is best served at and he would still get a decent chunk of minutes each game. Hayward gives us a starting SF who would fit great in Adelman's offense and can shoot the lights out, while being no slouch on defense himself. Rush would give us a solid backup this year while Bud is shut down. We would surely miss Love's scoring, but our offense would be a lot more diverse which would make us tougher to defend and our defense would get a lot better. The trade machine actually gives us a six win bump with this trade. We'd have to pay Hayward and Favors has already been paid, but they wouldn't be max guys leaving the max money for Ricky and they'd all be locked in for a few years to build the chemistry to be a top 4 team in the West in a few years.

I hope it works out with Love here in MN, but this offseason has capped how good we can be and I think right now it is more likely he goes than stays with the current roster. I wouldn't mind not having to blow up when he leaves because we get a solid return for him. At the end of the day, this is a team sport and we don't have a team that can contend so why not fill our holes with one move to set us up for the future.

Is DWill a better SF then Wesley Johnson or Michael Beasley? I would rather give ShaBazz the minutes if we don't think DWill is the answer here moving forward. If we don't think Shabazz can be the answer in a year or two trade them both now if we can for a proven. player.

khans2k5 wrote:The only way to fill the holes on this team is to trade Love for multiple pieces. You can't trade away guys you just signed because then it will make it even harder to get people to sign here in the future. D Will clearly doesn't have the value to bring back what we need. I'd shut down Bud for the year because he will be a complete waste of money if he doesn't get his knees fixed this year. Start D Will at the 3. Then see where we are at the deadline and make the decision on Love. The fact is a bottom 4 seed isn't keeping Love here and that seems to be the range Flip has capped us at with his signings.

The one trade that I am finding hard to look at and not do would be Love and Bazz to the Jazz for Favors, Hayward, Rush and a first round pick. Favors can be the defensive anchor we need and then we could roll with a Williams, Favors, Pek frontcourt with scoring and defense on the floor at almost all times. Williams would finally play his role of scoring 4 off the bench that I think is where he is best served at and he would still get a decent chunk of minutes each game. Hayward gives us a starting SF who would fit great in Adelman's offense and can shoot the lights out, while being no slouch on defense himself. Rush would give us a solid backup this year while Bud is shut down. We would surely miss Love's scoring, but our offense would be a lot more diverse which would make us tougher to defend and our defense would get a lot better. The trade machine actually gives us a six win bump with this trade. We'd have to pay Hayward and Favors has already been paid, but they wouldn't be max guys leaving the max money for Ricky and they'd all be locked in for a few years to build the chemistry to be a top 4 team in the West in a few years.

I hope it works out with Love here in MN, but this offseason has capped how good we can be and I think right now it is more likely he goes than stays with the current roster. I wouldn't mind not having to blow up when he leaves because we get a solid return for him. At the end of the day, this is a team sport and we don't have a team that can contend so why not fill our holes with one move to set us up for the future.

I don't think Utah would make that trade nor do I think Flip would pursue that trade. I like both Hayward and Favors, but I would want more in a package for Love. Maybe two first round picks to go with those two and I doubt Utah would swing that.

As for the bolded section, how in the hell do you know this team can't contend? I didn't realize we had played 82 games with this current roster already. Or maybe you were gifted by God with the ability to see the future. If neither of those are true, how about allowing this team to play a full season first before proclaiming that they can't contend and that the team needs to be blown up.

I started this thread because it seemed peculiar to me that there was nothing in the news for weeks about Bud's recovery. I sensed that they were no longer looking at 6-8 weeks, so I'm not surprised at the update.

In the Williams for Turner discussion, Q makes a good point about movement without the ball being the key desired element in an Adelman offense. Derrick doesn't do it, and unfortunately neither does most of the team except for Martin. It's a strength for Bud though, and we will miss that while he is out. Too many guys standing around on offense.

Khans, I don't know if you watched the Boston game, but if you did I don't think you would be calling for Williams to be starting at SF. I don't know why Rick started him. Some surmised that he is experimenting and still trying to determine the starting lineup. I think he was sending a clear message to Flip: "Hey, Flip, watch and see why Williams and Martin can't be on the court at the same time as our 2 and 3". Boston is a very poor offensive club without Rondo, but Wallace made our defensive wings look silly. I am convinced that Williams is just not an adequate defensive 3. And unfortunately, he doesn't appear to be an adequate offensive SF either. After teasing us with a nice first possession "and 1", he was largely invisible on offense the rest of the game. Standing out at the three-point line is not going to get him in the flow, as Ricky has better 3-point options to pass to in Martin and Love. Derrick's heralded off-season weight loss didn't automatically transform him into a SF. Unfortunately he is what we thought he was...a stretch 4 that can give us good production off the bench backing up Love (if he can convince Adelman to play him ahead of Cunningham).

Flip/Brewer want Corey to be the energy guy off the bench, but Martin's defensive deficiencies will force them to start Corey at SF unless a deal can be made. That's why I am still on board with the rumored Williams/Turner trade, even though Turner has been a big disappointment so far.