At this point....

[Phenom]

My preference is to trade no one, honestly. There are exceptions like trading bench fodder like Turiaf or Bud but unless the Wolves are blown away by an. offer they need to stick it out and let this team grow for once. Too many people want instant results and when it doesnt happen, they want to keep shuffling the deck. I thought the healthy version of the team looked pretty good. I want to see Flip build on that.

[longstrangetrip [enjin:6600564]]

My preference is to trade no one, honestly. There are exceptions like trading bench fodder like Turiaf or Bud but unless the Wolves are blown away by an. offer they need to stick it out and let this team grow for once. Too many people want instant results and when it doesnt happen, they want to keep shuffling the deck. I thought the healthy version of the team looked pretty good. I want to see Flip build on that.

Some guys thankfully get the concept of brevity. Phenom said much better and concisely what I tried to say in my lengthy previous post. Skip mine...read his :)

[AbeVigodaLive]

I'm just not seeing the love for Bennett, Muhammad and LaVine.

If you're a tweener in this league, you have to do something really really well to make a lasting impact. I don't see anything Bennett does really well or even potentially at an elite level. Shooting mid-range jump shots doesn't fit the bill as the only usable skill for many teams.

I get waiting to see what you have with LaVine. He's so raw.

I don't think Muhammad has a great ceiling. He can put the ball in the bucket. But is that a product of being the best at it on a very lousy team? Does he have enough potential to round out what's a very specific skillset right now? Can he ever evolve into more than an instant offense scorer? His passing remains dreadful. His defense will remain a problem. And even his offense needs to evolve. The top scorers can score in a variety of ways. Will Muhammad develop a 3 point shot? Better handles? Etc?

[Coolbreeze44]

My preference is to trade no one, honestly. There are exceptions like trading bench fodder like Turiaf or Bud but unless the Wolves are blown away by an. offer they need to stick it out and let this team grow for once. Too many people want instant results and when it doesnt happen, they want to keep shuffling the deck. I thought the healthy version of the team looked pretty good. I want to see Flip build on that.

Best take of the thread. We have historically given up on guys too soon. With our health issues (though some could have been predicted) and youth we are right where we should be. And I'm just not willing to make judgments on what we have seen so far. For once, let's see what cream rises to the top, and what sludge sinks to the bottom before cutting bait.

[Hicks123 [enjin:6700838]]

My preference is to trade no one, honestly. There are exceptions like trading bench fodder like Turiaf or Bud but unless the Wolves are blown away by an. offer they need to stick it out and let this team grow for once. Too many people want instant results and when it doesnt happen, they want to keep shuffling the deck. I thought the healthy version of the team looked pretty good. I want to see Flip build on that.

Best take of the thread. We have historically given up on guys too soon. With our health issues (though some could have been predicted) and youth we are right where we should be. And I'm just not willing to make judgments on what we have seen so far. For once, let's see what cream rises to the top, and what sludge sinks to the bottom before cutting bait.

Interested to hear which guys we gave up on too early. The only player that has left the Wolves and gotten better is Billups....and that was a different situation than just dumping him.

[Coolbreeze44]

Well Billups was foremost in my thoughts. But recently Kosta Koufas and Wes Johnson come to mind. You also have to wonder if some guys weren't developed well by us, and might have had a better career if they started in another city.

[thedoper]

My preference is to trade no one, honestly. There are exceptions like trading bench fodder like Turiaf or Bud but unless the Wolves are blown away by an. offer they need to stick it out and let this team grow for once. Too many people want instant results and when it doesnt happen, they want to keep shuffling the deck. I thought the healthy version of the team looked pretty good. I want to see Flip build on that.

Best take of the thread. We have historically given up on guys too soon. With our health issues (though some could have been predicted) and youth we are right where we should be. And I'm just not willing to make judgments on what we have seen so far. For once, let's see what cream rises to the top, and what sludge sinks to the bottom before cutting bait.

Not sure if I blindly agree with either of these sentiments. Name me the players that left the Wolves and developed into something special? Either you have the talent or you don't. Our talent apart from Wiggins and Rubio is very mediocre. Pek, Martin and Brewer are capable NBA players and contenders could use them. My main point is why are they on our roster now that it is clear this season is a write off. As for trading youngsters, I know Flip wont risk the core 6 young guys at this point, and I am not sure that is the answer. But the only 3 players I really care to see stay on the Wolves are Rubio, Wiggins and Bazz (to a lesser extant Gorgui) for various reasons.

[Coolbreeze44]

My preference is to trade no one, honestly. There are exceptions like trading bench fodder like Turiaf or Bud but unless the Wolves are blown away by an. offer they need to stick it out and let this team grow for once. Too many people want instant results and when it doesnt happen, they want to keep shuffling the deck. I thought the healthy version of the team looked pretty good. I want to see Flip build on that.

Best take of the thread. We have historically given up on guys too soon. With our health issues (though some could have been predicted) and youth we are right where we should be. And I'm just not willing to make judgments on what we have seen so far. For once, let's see what cream rises to the top, and what sludge sinks to the bottom before cutting bait.

Not sure if I blindly agree with either of these sentiments. Name me the players that left the Wolves and developed into something special? Either you have the talent or you don't. Our talent apart from Wiggins and Rubio is very mediocre. Pek, Martin and Brewer are capable NBA players and contenders could use them. My main point is why are they on our roster now that it is clear this season is a write off. As for trading youngsters, I know Flip wont risk the core 6 young guys at this point, and I am not sure that is the answer. But the only 3 players I really care to see stay on the Wolves are Rubio, Wiggins and Bazz (to a lesser extant Gorgui) for various reasons.

Sounds like you want us to be just like the Detroit Lions - Rebuilding, since 1957. What you're suggesting as a strategy will only result in the need to continually rebuild. In the NBA you need 2 or 3 stars, and hopefully we find that in some combination of Wiggins, Lavine, Dieng, Rubio, and our number 1 pick next year. But you also need specialists and role players, and some of our current players can become those pieces.

[AbeVigodaLive]

My preference is to trade no one, honestly. There are exceptions like trading bench fodder like Turiaf or Bud but unless the Wolves are blown away by an. offer they need to stick it out and let this team grow for once. Too many people want instant results and when it doesnt happen, they want to keep shuffling the deck. I thought the healthy version of the team looked pretty good. I want to see Flip build on that.

Best take of the thread. We have historically given up on guys too soon. With our health issues (though some could have been predicted) and youth we are right where we should be. And I'm just not willing to make judgments on what we have seen so far. For once, let's see what cream rises to the top, and what sludge sinks to the bottom before cutting bait.

Not sure if I blindly agree with either of these sentiments. Name me the players that left the Wolves and developed into something special? Either you have the talent or you don't. Our talent apart from Wiggins and Rubio is very mediocre. Pek, Martin and Brewer are capable NBA players and contenders could use them. My main point is why are they on our roster now that it is clear this season is a write off. As for trading youngsters, I know Flip wont risk the core 6 young guys at this point, and I am not sure that is the answer. But the only 3 players I really care to see stay on the Wolves are Rubio, Wiggins and Bazz (to a lesser extant Gorgui) for various reasons.

Sounds like you want us to be just like the Detroit Lions - Rebuilding, since 1957. What you're suggesting as a strategy will only result in the need to continually rebuild. In the NBA you need 2 or 3 stars, and hopefully we find that in some combination of Wiggins, Lavine, Dieng, Rubio, and our number 1 pick next year. But you also need specialists and role players, and some of our current players can become those pieces.

To be fair, the Wolves are the NBA equivalent. Should the Clippers somehow win a title... the Wolves have a legit claim as the worst franchise in the NBA.

[thedoper]

Sounds like you want us to be just like the Detroit Lions - Rebuilding, since 1957. What you're suggesting as a strategy will only result in the need to continually rebuild. In the NBA you need 2 or 3 stars, and hopefully we find that in some combination of Wiggins, Lavine, Dieng, Rubio, and our number 1 pick next year. But you also need specialists and role players, and some of our current players can become those pieces.

Football and Basketball are totally different things. You are right in saying that you only need 2 or three stars. But it is on a roster of 12, which is why a team can instantly change its fortunes in the NBA with trades and/or free agent signing. Teams who make good trades and FA signings dominate the NBA. My point is that Wiggins is the only player I believe will be a star. Rubio could be a really good player, but has been in a scary cycle of injury and recovery. Shabazz could be a really good scorer. The rest are still huge question marks with no definitive NBA skill (Lavine is dribbling? Dieng's is size?). The celts were in a period of constant rebuilding but then instantly won an NBA championship and that has now become the new model for building an NBA franchise along with the emerging Spurs tank for a star model. I think Flip is going to hang on to all the youngsters, but I still say if a combination of Martin and Dieng or Pek and Lavine can vault us into a beneficial trade I would make it.