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Re: Off-Season Options

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The Rage Monster wrote:
Squishypoo wrote:E. Trade Love, Budinger, Barea to Golden State for Thompson, Barnes, Lee, 2019 1st round pick. Use MLE on backup PG. Draft at 13.

Rubio/Blake (MLE)
Thompson/Martin
Barnes/Brewer
Lee/ McDermott (13)
Pekovic/Dieng

I love this trade it makes us better IMO..The 2nd team would be Blake/Maritn/Brewer/MC/Dieng<<<Thats pretty damm nice... And the starting lineup even looks better then last year to me ....Add in a new HC i see no reason why this team would not make playoffs..... But why would GS do this?


This is like the 5th time I've seen someone trying to trade for a pick 5 years out, it makes absolutely zero sense to me. Even if you're hoping GS isn't as good by 2019 the pick would most likely have some protection so if they are bad we wouldn't get the pick until even later; if they're good we'd get a mediocre first round pick just like we could next year. Until someone can explain why people prefer a pick that far in the future I'll keep asking why, in my opinion it's a stupid idea when we could just as easily get a pick in 2015.


Isn't that the next time they can trade a pick? Better than nothing I guess, but if I'm wrong I have no idea why we would trade for a pick that far down the road
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Why does everyone seem to like the trade with GS? The draft pick doesn't help us now, Thompson is likely to leave after 1 year, Barnes has never lived up to his potential, and Lee is Lee, nothing spectacular there. This just keeps us swimming in mediocrity for more years to come. Also remember that Thompson has had the benefit of playing alongside Curry, who commands the opposing team's best defender. Playing here with Rubio, Thompson would get all the attention and may struggle, especially with his streaky shooting. Let's just avoid trading him to the West at all...

The trade ideas with the Cavs is pointless, as the Cavs know he is highly unlikely to sign there. #1 pick, waiters, future first, etc. for a one year rental in the hope that LeBron follows? Not happening.

Chicago and Boston are the only viable options, both of which make us better immediately and long-term.
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Re: Off-Season Options

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The Rage Monster wrote:
Squishypoo wrote:E. Trade Love, Budinger, Barea to Golden State for Thompson, Barnes, Lee, 2019 1st round pick. Use MLE on backup PG. Draft at 13.

Rubio/Blake (MLE)
Thompson/Martin
Barnes/Brewer
Lee/ McDermott (13)
Pekovic/Dieng

I love this trade it makes us better IMO..The 2nd team would be Blake/Maritn/Brewer/MC/Dieng<<<Thats pretty damm nice... And the starting lineup even looks better then last year to me ....Add in a new HC i see no reason why this team would not make playoffs..... But why would GS do this?


This is like the 5th time I've seen someone trying to trade for a pick 5 years out, it makes absolutely zero sense to me. Even if you're hoping GS isn't as good by 2019 the pick would most likely have some protection so if they are bad we wouldn't get the pick until even later; if they're good we'd get a mediocre first round pick just like we could next year. Until someone can explain why people prefer a pick that far in the future I'll keep asking why, in my opinion it's a stupid idea when we could just as easily get a pick in 2015.


That's assuming we don't make the trade on draft night, which is when we'll likely have the most leverage possible.

When you keep bringing up the 2015 1st round pick, you're saying we'll trade Love after the 2014 draft. That's when three trade offers (CLE/BOS/CHI) go down in value, in my opinion, since they'll already have their guys and have seen how the draft played out. Could we still make a trade with those teams post-draft and just take the rights to whoever they drafted? Sure, but you're not ensuring you get who you want with those picks because they're already made. There's also the case of someone falling to a spot and BOS/CHI deciding they want to keep him and leave them out of their offered packages.

A lot of variables right there just to get a pick that will likely be in the 20s next year. Is it really that important for you to cash in on a 2015 first rounder when that team will have a starting lineup including Curry, Love, Iggy and Bogut? Relying on the possibility of huge injury from one or more of those players isn't a good reason either.

As it's been mentioned already, 2019 is the next 1st rounder they can trade. If that statement is incorrect, then by all means I'm wrong. Continuing with the thinking, though.

2019 1st rounder gives us an asset down the line that could grow in value. Never know how a roster will look in five years. There's a possibility they get worse. And if they still have a Curry/Love core, then we'll have the pick in the 20s that you so highly covet.

I don't see why it's stupid.
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Re: Off-Season Options

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3 way trade
Min gets #3 #10 Waiters Thompson
Phi gets #1 Varejao
CLE gets Love Martin
Take Parker at 3, Stauskas at 10 and McDermott or Payne at 13

Rubio MLE
Stauskas Waiters
Parker Brewer Bazz
Thompson McDermott
Pek Dieng
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TheFuture wrote:Why does everyone seem to like the trade with GS? The draft pick doesn't help us now, Thompson is likely to leave after 1 year, Barnes has never lived up to his potential, and Lee is Lee, nothing spectacular there. This just keeps us swimming in mediocrity for more years to come. Also remember that Thompson has had the benefit of playing alongside Curry, who commands the opposing team's best defender. Playing here with Rubio, Thompson would get all the attention and may struggle, especially with his streaky shooting. Let's just avoid trading him to the West at all...

The trade ideas with the Cavs is pointless, as the Cavs know he is highly unlikely to sign there. #1 pick, waiters, future first, etc. for a one year rental in the hope that LeBron follows? Not happening.

Chicago and Boston are the only viable options, both of which make us better immediately and long-term.


It would be unlikely that Thompson could leave after one year unless he takes the QO to become an unrestricted free agent. This is a rare maneuver and would require Klay to turn down a 4 year, big money deal from the Wolves or another team. If he signed with another team the Wolves would just match (within reason). This current system is set up for teams to have a very good opportunity to keep guys for their first 2 contracts and Klay is still on contract one. The Wolves would realistically have Klay for 4 years, at least. As long as Ricky continues to attack the rim, Klay should have plenty of good looks. Also, while Lee is the inferior talent to Love, I feel he has better mobility and could potentially mesh with Ricky better. And Ricky may be just what Barnes needs to reach his potential. I would certainly prefer to trade Love out East but not at the expense of a good deal. A Warrior deal would be right up there.
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G. Trade Love, Budinger to Boston for Bogans waivable contract, Bass, Olynyk, No. 6, No. 17, 2015 BOS 1st, 2016 BRK 1st.

Trade Pekovic, Martin to Cleveland for Waiters, Varejao, Gee.

Draft Gordon (6), LaVine (13) and Napier (17).

Rubio/Napier
Waiters/LaVine
Gordon/Brewer
Olynyk/Bass
Dieng/Varejao

Swing for the fences. Get really athletic and take high potential guys. See if you hit on any or some. Bass and Varejao can be moved to playoff contenders at the deadline.
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I did not know that about the new contracts, and to be honest, I have never been very well versed in the fine-points of them. That does clear up a lot of the interest I see here with a GS trade, so thank you.

I still am very opposed to a trade within the West, and especially to a team that would have 3 high-end pieces already in place in Curry, AI, and Bogut. As far as Lee is concerned, he gets his points and rebounds, but I do not see him fitting here at all. If we move Pekovic, possibly, but if we do not then there is no way I see the 2 meshing. Dieng and Lee may be an alright pair, but i'd rather not take on his 10+ million per year contract. That amount of money could be better used elsewhere.

If GS is the route Flip chooses then I hope he seeks out a third team who can deal us cheap, young talent or draft picks in exchange for Lee.

As it stands, I prefer a three-way trade with Chicago, (Orlando/Boston), and Minnesota.
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I do like Boston as a trade partner, but don't you think 4 1sts in addition to those players is a bit much to ask?

Would you do Love and Budinger for #6,#17, 2016 BRK 1st, Sullinger, and Olynyk?
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TheFuture wrote:I do like Boston as a trade partner, but don't you think 4 1sts in addition to those players is a bit much to ask?

Would you do Love and Budinger for #6,#17, 2016 BRK 1st, Sullinger, and Olynyk?


So you essentially just swapped out Boston's 1st rounder next year for Sully? Yeah I'd do that one still, but I don't think Boston would want to get rid of both KO and JS. Out of those two, I'd rather have Olynyk.

And to answer your first question, not really. One lottery pick outside of the top-five and three non-lottery picks plus a pretty good prospect, but one that's already 23. For a top-ten (top-five imo) player in the NBA? Yeah, that's value.

That Boston deal isn't even one of my top-two favorite packages, but I guess it was worth bringing up.
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The 3 deals, in order, that interest me the most...

1) Cleveland: Love+2nd round pick for 1st overall+Waiters+Varejao (subsequent trade of Varejao or Pek)
2) Golden State: Love+Mbah+Shved for Thompson+Barnes+Lee
3) Boston: Love+Mbah+Shved for Sullinger+Bass+Humphries+#6 overall+Nets pick+1 (or two) more unprotected 1sts from Boston
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