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KiwiMatt wrote:As we say in NZ "keep the faith".

I have a good feeling Love will stay. My reasoning:

1. We can offer him the most money.
2. He has unfinished business in Minnesota.
3. Ricky Rubio (the world's premier pass first PG) plays here.
4. Playing for the Lakers will mean he will be a second option behind a 38 year old Kobe Bryant.
5. Pekovic will crush his skull with a 'Pek smash' if he leaves.

Please explain.

What is a "pass-first" PG? Is Chris Paul a pass-first PG? R. Rondo? R. Westbrook? K. Lowery? S. Curry?

Because if I was a GM, I'd hate to pigeon-hole my team by choosing a PG with a very specific skill set when I could try to find one who could score and pass. After all, those seem to be guys who can get a team over .500 a lot of times.

I'd rather swing for the fences by adding rookies and betting on Rubio to make everyone better. Pek is a top 5 offensive center, a top offensive rebounding center, he's a poor defender, he's hurt often and makes $12 million a year. I have no idea what type of value GM's see there but outside of Eric Gordon or OJ Mayo I don't see any SG/SF's that we could get for Pek. That leaves draft picks, I know they have Len but I wonder if Pheonix would trade 2 firsts for him or if Philly would trade us the NO pick and their 2nd rounder? This would potentially allow us to add McDermott, Stauskas/Harris, and McDaniels.

I know counting on rookies is risky but when you swing for the fences there's always a good chance of striking out. The one advantage with this method is we could keep Love by hitting a ground rule double. If we lose in the first round relying on rookies and 2nd year players I think it would be easier to convince Love of a promising future than a first round exit with just a slight bench upgrade.

The Rage Monster wrote:I'd rather swing for the fences by adding rookies and betting on Rubio to make everyone better. Pek is a top 5 offensive center, a top offensive rebounding center, he's a poor defender, he's hurt often and makes $12 million a year. I have no idea what type of value GM's see there but outside of Eric Gordon or OJ Mayo I don't see any SG/SF's that we could get for Pek. That leaves draft picks, I know they have Len but I wonder if Pheonix would trade 2 firsts for him or if Philly would trade us the NO pick and their 2nd rounder? This would potentially allow us to add McDermott, Stauskas/Harris, and McDaniels.

I know counting on rookies is risky but when you swing for the fences there's always a good chance of striking out. The one advantage with this method is we could keep Love by hitting a ground rule double. If we lose in the first round relying on rookies and 2nd year players I think it would be easier to convince Love of a promising future than a first round exit with just a slight bench upgrade.

Losing Love for nothing sets the franchise back several more seasons... even though the Wolves have the longest playoff drought in the league already.

10 years. Sacramento is next at 8 years. Then, Detroit at 5 years.

Pairing Love with Rubio and Pek hasn't worked the past 3 seasons. The Wolves haven't sniffed the playoffs for any number of reasons. So Love leaving remains a likely scenario. Do you think waiting for Rubio to make an almost unprecedented leap AND for unproven rookies to fill key roles is enough?

The Wolves have nothing to lose by swinging for the fences. The team is back to 55 losses, but with about half of an already diminishing fanbase the moment Love leaves via free agency.

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

KiwiMatt wrote:As we say in NZ "keep the faith".

I have a good feeling Love will stay. My reasoning:

1. We can offer him the most money.
2. He has unfinished business in Minnesota.
3. Ricky Rubio (the world's premier pass first PG) plays here.
4. Playing for the Lakers will mean he will be a second option behind a 38 year old Kobe Bryant.
5. Pekovic will crush his skull with a 'Pek smash' if he leaves.

Please explain.

What is a "pass-first" PG? Is Chris Paul a pass-first PG? R. Rondo? R. Westbrook? K. Lowery? S. Curry?

Because if I was a GM, I'd hate to pigeon-hole my team by choosing a PG with a very specific skill set when I could try to find one who could score and pass. After all, those seem to be guys who can get a team over .500 a lot of times.

I'm talking about Kevin Love here Abe. Not from a GM's point of view. Kevin Love wants the ball, he wants to shoot, he wants easier looks created by a savvy PG. He doesn't want his shot attempts cut in half by a PG jacking up 3's in transition. That would mean he'd have to play defence to get noticed and he doesn't want to have to do that!

But yes I admit Paul and Rondo are the worlds premier pass first PG's. Westbrook, Lowry and Curry not so much. More in the 50/50 ration in terms of passing/scoring.

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KiwiMatt wrote:

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

KiwiMatt wrote:As we say in NZ "keep the faith".

I have a good feeling Love will stay. My reasoning:

1. We can offer him the most money.
2. He has unfinished business in Minnesota.
3. Ricky Rubio (the world's premier pass first PG) plays here.
4. Playing for the Lakers will mean he will be a second option behind a 38 year old Kobe Bryant.
5. Pekovic will crush his skull with a 'Pek smash' if he leaves.

Please explain.

What is a "pass-first" PG? Is Chris Paul a pass-first PG? R. Rondo? R. Westbrook? K. Lowery? S. Curry?

Because if I was a GM, I'd hate to pigeon-hole my team by choosing a PG with a very specific skill set when I could try to find one who could score and pass. After all, those seem to be guys who can get a team over .500 a lot of times.

I'm talking about Kevin Love here Abe. Not from a GM's point of view. Kevin Love wants the ball, he wants to shoot, he wants easier looks created by a savvy PG. He doesn't want his shot attempts cut in half by a PG jacking up 3's in transition. That would mean he'd have to play defence to get noticed and he doesn't want to have to do that!

But yes I admit Paul and Rondo are the worlds premier pass first PG's. Westbrook, Lowry and Curry not so much. More in the 50/50 ration in terms of passing/scoring.

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So you're claiming Love wants more shot attempts (still not a guarantee with Rubio over another PG, but whatever...) over wins.

Someone said Pek and Rubio couldn't fetch an all star level player? They're both on the cusp of being all stars today. That's way to pessimistic of a viewpoint and simply not rational.

Would the knicks trade Carmello for Rubio and Pek? Yes
Would the Heat trade DWade for Rubio and Pek? Yes
Would the Pacers trade Hibbert for Rubiuo and Pek? Yes
Would the Heat trade Bosh for Rubio and Pek? Yes
Would the nets Trade Joe Johnson for Rubio and Pek? Yes
Would the Raptors trade DeRozan fro Rubio and Pek? Yes
Would Atlanta trade Milsap for Rubio and Pek? Yes
Would Chicago trade Noah forRubio and Pek? Yes
Would the Mavericks trade Nowitzki for Rubio and Pek? Yes
Would the Spurs trade Parker for Rubio and Pek? Yes
Would the Blazers trade Aldridge for Rubio and Pek? Yes

Is that enough all stars that we could get for the pair?

Kevin Love wants shots and he wants wins. He doesn't want to be a second option (even though he's probably best suited in that role).

CoolBreeze44 wrote:Someone said Pek and Rubio couldn't fetch an all star level player? They're both on the cusp of being all stars today. That's way to pessimistic of a viewpoint and simply not rational.

Would the knicks trade Carmello for Rubio and Pek? Yes
Would the Heat trade DWade for Rubio and Pek? Yes
Would the Pacers trade Hibbert for Rubiuo and Pek? Yes
Would the Heat trade Bosh for Rubio and Pek? Yes
Would the nets Trade Joe Johnson for Rubio and Pek? Yes
Would the Raptors trade DeRozan fro Rubio and Pek? Yes
Would Atlanta trade Milsap for Rubio and Pek? Yes
Would Chicago trade Noah forRubio and Pek? Yes
Would the Mavericks trade Nowitzki for Rubio and Pek? Yes
Would the Spurs trade Parker for Rubio and Pek? Yes
Would the Blazers trade Aldridge for Rubio and Pek? Yes

Is that enough all stars that we could get for the pair?

Rubio is on the cusp of being an all-star?

Did he fly past guys like Dragic who are still waiting just because he's had 3 or 4 good games in the past month or something?



[Note: Who said all-star? It wasn't me... I wrote "star"... I don't consider a guy like Joe Johnson or Paul Millsap a "star" just because they made an ASG.]

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

CoolBreeze44 wrote:Someone said Pek and Rubio couldn't fetch an all star level player? They're both on the cusp of being all stars today. That's way to pessimistic of a viewpoint and simply not rational.

Would the knicks trade Carmello for Rubio and Pek? Yes
Would the Heat trade DWade for Rubio and Pek? Yes
Would the Pacers trade Hibbert for Rubiuo and Pek? Yes
Would the Heat trade Bosh for Rubio and Pek? Yes
Would the nets Trade Joe Johnson for Rubio and Pek? Yes
Would the Raptors trade DeRozan fro Rubio and Pek? Yes
Would Atlanta trade Milsap for Rubio and Pek? Yes
Would Chicago trade Noah forRubio and Pek? Yes
Would the Mavericks trade Nowitzki for Rubio and Pek? Yes
Would the Spurs trade Parker for Rubio and Pek? Yes
Would the Blazers trade Aldridge for Rubio and Pek? Yes

Is that enough all stars that we could get for the pair?

Rubio is on the cusp of being an all-star?

Did he fly past guys like Dragic who are still waiting just because he's had 3 or 4 good games in the past month or something?



[Note: Who said all-star? It wasn't me... I wrote "star"... I don't consider a guy like Joe Johnson or Paul Millsap a "star" just because they made an ASG.]

What you said was Chicken Little. And yes, Rubio IS on the cusp of being an all star.

CoolBreeze44 wrote:

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

CoolBreeze44 wrote:Someone said Pek and Rubio couldn't fetch an all star level player? They're both on the cusp of being all stars today. That's way to pessimistic of a viewpoint and simply not rational.

Would the knicks trade Carmello for Rubio and Pek? Yes
Would the Heat trade DWade for Rubio and Pek? Yes
Would the Pacers trade Hibbert for Rubiuo and Pek? Yes
Would the Heat trade Bosh for Rubio and Pek? Yes
Would the nets Trade Joe Johnson for Rubio and Pek? Yes
Would the Raptors trade DeRozan fro Rubio and Pek? Yes
Would Atlanta trade Milsap for Rubio and Pek? Yes
Would Chicago trade Noah forRubio and Pek? Yes
Would the Mavericks trade Nowitzki for Rubio and Pek? Yes
Would the Spurs trade Parker for Rubio and Pek? Yes
Would the Blazers trade Aldridge for Rubio and Pek? Yes

Is that enough all stars that we could get for the pair?

Rubio is on the cusp of being an all-star?

Did he fly past guys like Dragic who are still waiting just because he's had 3 or 4 good games in the past month or something?



[Note: Who said all-star? It wasn't me... I wrote "star"... I don't consider a guy like Joe Johnson or Paul Millsap a "star" just because they made an ASG.]

What you said was Chicken Little. And yes, Rubio IS on the cusp of being an all star.

Don't understand the Chicken Little comment.

Nor the Rubio is almost an All Star comment. Steph Curry just made his first All Star Game. Dragic (20 / 6 / 51% fg while leading a surprisingly good team to almost 50 wins) didn't make the team.

Rubio has to improve A LOT to make the ASG. There are no stats to indicate that he's close.